Guess on a repair.

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Sep 29, 2013
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Hunter 30 Maryland
The boat was in winter storage ON LAND at the marina during the storm last fall, the back stand shifted causing the boat to sit on her rudder, which damaged the rudder post and pulled the lags that hold the skeg.

Anyone want to hazard a guess as to what it will take to repair?
 

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jviss

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Feb 5, 2004
7,090
Tartan 3800 20 Westport, MA
In dollars? Thousands! Just the bent rudder will probably be a $5k to $7k job.

Insurance?
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
How much damage to the hull side; rudder tube and bearings, facing where skeg attaches?

New rudder stock for sure, that's gotta come out of the existing rudder if it can be saved. I'd be saving up about four grand. More depending on hardware.

From an insurance perspective, it probably totaled the boat.

Sorry to see that.
 

jviss

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Feb 5, 2004
7,090
Tartan 3800 20 Westport, MA
I think it's a new rudder. Most composite rudders have integral posts, i.e., welded to ribs glassed inside the rudder.
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,216
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
A really handy do-it-yourselfer can repair this, but it will be a lot of work.. As Jackdaw says, the hull and bearing needs careful inspection as well. There are places where a new one can be purchased, the store on this site, Ruddercraft, and I think IdaSailor.. Repair would involve: splitting the blade at the leading and trailing edge seams. Removing the ribs and shaft from the foam core.. Take the ribs and bent stock to a machine shop to either build a new one or cut the ribs off and weld to a new stock..Then lay back into the skin and foam it into place.. Then re-seal the skins and fair and paint.. then it is good as new.. Lots of work !
 
Nov 9, 2008
1,338
Pearson-O'Day 290 Portland Maine
I saw that one too. I'd recommend waiting for another unless you are very handy or can afford a few thousand beyond the price. Still, if you put 7k into it, that's a lot of boat fot the price.
 
Dec 14, 2003
1,450
Hunter 34 Lake of Two Mountains, QC, Can
Jviss asked if insured and Jackdaw rightly mentioned that from insurance perspective it probably totaled the boat. Been there done that. Insurance will do one of 2 things: sell it to a salvage yard or auction it. Your options if you think you can tackle the repair or get it done cheaper, is then to make a deal with the yard to buy it back or bid to win if auctioned. A shame indeed but if repaired properly it could still give years of enjoyment. Good luck.
 
May 27, 2004
2,059
Hunter 30_74-83 Ponce Inlet FL
jscm1971, et al,

The gist of this post seems to be that:
1. The boat in question is for sale in damaged condition? Or,
2. You own it and have a major repair job?
Not sure which it is.

If it's for sale, would someone post the ad location?

If it's yours, please know you have a terrific boat that can be restored (based on what I see in the pics). At the very least, it has value to those of us in the Cherubini fraternity for parts, as many are common to many models.

Any help I can offer to help with the repair, let me know.

You also might want to cross reference this thread on the Hunter/Cherubini Forum.
 

jviss

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Feb 5, 2004
7,090
Tartan 3800 20 Westport, MA
Jviss asked if insured and Jackdaw rightly mentioned that from insurance perspective it probably totaled the boat. Been there done that. Insurance will do one of 2 things: sell it to a salvage yard or auction it. Your options if you think you can tackle the repair or get it done cheaper, is then to make a deal with the yard to buy it back or bid to win if auctioned. A shame indeed but if repaired properly it could still give years of enjoyment. Good luck.
I would hardly call that totaled. If the insurance company asserted it was totaled, using a low-ball figure for the value of the boat, I'd fight them.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Metal can be straightened I would consider splitting the rudder and removing the metal from the plastic and having the metal straightened and putting the rudder back together. If the steel worker determined that it was beyond repair it would serve as a pattern for a new weldment.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
I would hardly call that totaled. If the insurance company asserted it was totaled, using a low-ball figure for the value of the boat, I'd fight them.
Its a 30+ old boat. You can find ones in perfectly good condition OFFERED for $10k. The insured value of this one could have been even less.

Lets say it $7k as a professional estimate to fix it. Thats 70%+ of the boats value. Totaled.

I've fixed up several boats. But you would have to pay me to take that one. Not all boats need to be 'saved'.
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
Contact Foss Foam for the price a new Rudder (I think $2k is more in line). Then you will have to replace/repair the skeg.

PS: You would not find me settling for a straightened rudder.
 
May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
Similar project

I had a similar situation a couple years ago after a hard grounding. With the exception of the lags pulling out. i did have some glass damage where the post goes through the hull. Fortunately, the bearings were OK. Here is how I fixed mine. First a new rudder stock. ( TUBE ) This was purchased for about 300 bucks. I took a cut off tool, and cut one side out of the rudder. I did not cut into the leading or trailing edge, but close to them. Inside I peeled out all the foam, and then the glass holding the rods in place. On my Seidelman, I had to take the rudder tube with the quadrant attached out through the cockpit, because it was impossible to get the quadrant off the rudder tube. This involved cutting out a portion of the cockpit floor. Once out I managed to get the quadrant off the old post, lined them up and drilled the holes for the locating rods, and cut the tube to length, using the old tube as a guide. Re installed the post, then replaced the rudder shell, and glassed in the locator rods. I then lightly glassed the cut out part of the rudder back in place. Drilled a series of 1" holes, three horizonatlly across the rudder, and then a similar series ever six inches vertically. Used these to pour in the foam mixture. After the foam was poured I then solidly glassed the rudder. The hull cracks were compressed back together using a big C clamp, and reglassed. A lot of work. The entire project took a week, and the cost was around 500 bucks.
 
May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
Skeg

If at all possible, I would install a backing plate for the skeg lag bolts, and through bolt them.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
If at all possible, I would install a backing plate for the skeg lag bolts, and through bolt them.
Or a backing dowel, inserted into holes drilled through the hull side of the skeg. Once the skeg bolts are in a tight, glass the whole thing up. They make big marine versions, but this is the only picture I can find.

 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Or a backing dowel, inserted into holes drilled through the hull side of the skeg. Once the skeg bolts are in a tight, glass the whole thing up. They make big marine versions, but this is the only picture I can find.

Those could be made in a garage work shop from a piece of old propeller shaft. Lining everything up for the drilling on the boat would be tricky.
 
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