pointing to the wind is one thing. pointing to blue water seas is another as we all know. i'm sure they will be making videos for us to watch.
very cool
very cool
Greta Thunberg sails back to Europe on La Vagabonde
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me, i would sail with a toddler and a 16 year old. the little one has been raised on the boat. i would sail anywhere with a crew of 16 year olds. thats what the sailing warships of old were crewed by. my great grandfather got his masters license for sailing ships/ cargo ships at 17.
me, i'm mostly curious what that modern cat rides like. blowing 25 with the waves it produces should be fun.
me, i'm mostly curious what that modern cat rides like. blowing 25 with the waves it produces should be fun.
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me, i'm mostly curious what that modern cat rides like. blowing 25 with the waves it produces should be fun.
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Being a monohull guy, this is the kind of weather that would make me nervous with a multihull. It's not too bad at this point, I'm sure that cat is doing fine. But get steeper waves and higher winds and flipping one of those over would be my fear.
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me, i'm mostly curious what that modern cat rides like. blowing 25 with the waves it produces should be fun.
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Being a monohull guy, this is the kind of weather that would make me nervous with a multihull. It's not too bad at this point, I'm sure that cat is doing fine. But get steeper waves and higher winds and flipping one of those over would be my fear.
dj
Comfort is the controlling factor, imho. There are some insightful posts at this thread. (Start from the posts last night if you don’t want to read the whole thread). La Vagabonde's crossing - Page 14 - Cruisers & Sailing Forums.
That thread has some excellent weather routing insight too, from some of the posts. Particularly from @BreakingWaves and also some other posters.
That thread has some excellent weather routing insight too, from some of the posts. Particularly from @BreakingWaves and also some other posters.
so the wind map shows us the theoretical gradient and does not show the addition of the thermal excitation and the variations of speed and direction that creates. they have been encountering more beating conditions then we assumed. hence the slower speeds.
also, there is that storm developing ahead of them.
i'm curious how the actual ride on a cat would be. i have been pea soup green sea sick on 1,000 ft ships. lake ships have an awful ride in a big blow. they are very wiggly by design. the pilot house is like an upside down pendulum. not fun.
also, there is that storm developing ahead of them.
i'm curious how the actual ride on a cat would be. i have been pea soup green sea sick on 1,000 ft ships. lake ships have an awful ride in a big blow. they are very wiggly by design. the pilot house is like an upside down pendulum. not fun.
Six hours sitting on a fly bridge doing race committee in Gardiner's Bay with 3-5' waves cured me of ever wanting my own boat with a fly bridge!
@LeslieTroyer and I sailed a 45ft Leopard Cat Charter in Belize for 9 days. We had a couple of nights that there was considerable chop as fronts passed through. The boat was very stable in those conditions. The issue I noticed was the space between hand holds. The boat would move with the chop, and if you were trying to cross the living space you could end up there a bit quicker than you might be expecting. There is a lot of space on these big Catamarans. Under the balmy conditions of the Caribbean you can move about the boat like you were moving about your kitchen or living room. On deck the open space is there, but you are facing a big leap to the sea not a wall to stop your fall as you try to move across a trampoline bow or the roof deck to the mast. Getting swept off by the boom would be an E-ticket ride with no way of stopping till you hit the water.
As with everything boats, it is a compromise. Big space when it is nice, danger to deal with if your are in rough seas. I can see no one venturing out on deck in a real blow unless it is mandatory. But when you get in the Trades and there are 15 knot winds and sunny skys for days of a passage.
It can be very nice on a Catamaran.
As with everything boats, it is a compromise. Big space when it is nice, danger to deal with if your are in rough seas. I can see no one venturing out on deck in a real blow unless it is mandatory. But when you get in the Trades and there are 15 knot winds and sunny skys for days of a passage.
It can be very nice on a Catamaran.
Anyone want to start a Beer pool on the ETA to Spain?
We can do a Over/Under pool.
Jim...
We can do a Over/Under pool.
Jim...
They will stop in Burmuda, let a weather system roll by (5 days), then try for a quick passage to the Azores (12 days), where they will sight-see for 4 days. Then, spend 4 weeks waiting on a part to arrive (35 days). Then it's 5 days to Spain, so...
52 days.
They will arrive in Spain on Jan 9th.
-Will (Dragonfly)
52 days.
They will arrive in Spain on Jan 9th.
-Will (Dragonfly)
Only issue with this outline is they are already beyond "Bermuda" - Hamilton Weather station is shown on the map. Both my screen and their position chart. But 9 Jan is your entry.. Do you want a do over? And what about your Over/Under?
I am thinking they could sight the coast of Spain sometime the 2nd to the 5th of December 2019.
Providing conditions stay favorable.
This would also give them a chance to accomplish their stated goal of getting Greta to the Climate Conference running from the 2nd to the 13th in Madrid, Spain. She could make a grand entrance and declare that we do not need planes any more. Just folks with boats that cost a million plus dollars willing to let you go for a ride.
Providing conditions stay favorable.
This would also give them a chance to accomplish their stated goal of getting Greta to the Climate Conference running from the 2nd to the 13th in Madrid, Spain. She could make a grand entrance and declare that we do not need planes any more. Just folks with boats that cost a million plus dollars willing to let you go for a ride.
Based on that weather map, not that I know anything about it, I would head North of the rhumline. They would pickup speed and have the wind more aft for an easier ride than the near beam reach. In 800 miles or so they'd sail into more wind and turn East for a nice fast ride to Spain. I like December 4th. 8 knots average. I would take the under, whatever that means.
ok the date I picked is Dec 9th as the reference point.
If you bet OVER then you expect a date beyond the 9th
Under would be Less than the 9th.
Jim...
If you bet OVER then you expect a date beyond the 9th
Under would be Less than the 9th.
Jim...
Anybody notice TROPICAL STORM SEBASTIEN in the south Atlantic, perhaps headed their way?
Seems they are going slow to stay behind Sebastien and its nearby front. Once it passes and they start rolling again their rhumb line distance will be about 2200 miles, give or take. I’ll (hesitantly) take the Under for Jim’s date of the 9th, maybe early on the 8th, depending on what systems affect them in the second half of the trip.
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