Fuse ratings

Jul 4, 2015
436
Hunter 34 Menominee, MI; Sturgeon Bay WI
Hi all;
Is a 10A fuse designated as 24V still a 10A fuse for 12V system? Tech told me yes, Ohm's law says otherwise. What am I missing here?
 

RitSim

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Jan 29, 2018
453
Beneteau 411 Branford
I think this provides some material for discussion. If you use Ohm's law to get the fuse resistance 24=10 amps (R ohms), then the fuse calculates as 2.4 ohms. The heat generated to melt the fuse is Watts=I amps^2 (R). The R is fixed and when the current reaches 10 amps the fuse blows. The equation is independent of voltage.
 
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Jul 4, 2015
436
Hunter 34 Menominee, MI; Sturgeon Bay WI
I think this provides some material for discussion. If you use Ohm's law to get the fuse resistance 24=10 amps (R ohms), then the fuse calculates as 2.4 ohms. The heat generated to melt the fuse is Watts=I amps^2 (R). The R is fixed and when the current reaches 10 amps the fuse blows. The equation is independent of voltage.
Fuse melts based on power generated; in this case P=I (V) so the power to blow the fuse is 240W
V=IR; 24=10 so (R) R=2.4 Ohms and is the fuse's resistance which is fixed

Now at 12V: 240W= 12(I) so I=20A

So this fuse would not be safe to use if I need 10A wire protection

Am I wrong?
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,337
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
Fuse melts based on power generated; in this case P=I (V) so the power to blow the fuse is 240W
V=IR; 24=10 (R) R=2.4 Ohms is the fuse's resistance which is fixed
At 12V: 240W= 12(I) so I=20A

So this fuse would not be safe to use if I need 10A wire protection

Am I wrong?
Correct
 
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Feb 17, 2006
5,274
Lancer 27PS MCB Camp Pendleton KF6BL
I understand that the amp rating is irrelevant if the voltage exceeds the voltage rating of the fuse. Meaning. If a 12V fuse rated at 10A is in a circuit using 24V, the fuse will blow even if there is no current flowing. Simply because of too much voltage. Don't need Ohms Law for that. If the fuse is rated at 24V and placed on a 12V circuit, and, if the circuit demands more than 10A, the fuse will blow because it has exceeded the current rating. So, both V and I conditions must be met for the fuse to work properly. If one exceeds the rated I or V, regardless of R, then the fuse will fail, in theory.

This is how I understand it.
 
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leo310

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Dec 15, 2006
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Catalina 310 44 Campbell River BC
Now if you have a glass fuse protecting your VHF take a close look at it it may say 240 or 110 volt 10 amp for its rating.
 
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Jul 4, 2015
436
Hunter 34 Menominee, MI; Sturgeon Bay WI
Now if you have a glass fuse protecting your VHF take a close look at it it may say 240 or 110 volt 10 amp for its rating.
Yet another fly in the ointment; how do the AC fuse ratings translate to DC Volt ratings???

I have a number of excellent marine electric books I have read cover to cover, and none of them address these questions. Very easy to wander the isles of a marine store and pick up the wrong fuse solely based on its amp rating.
 
Mar 6, 2008
1,294
Catalina 1999 C36 MKII #1787 Coyote Point Marina, CA.
Fuse blows due to excessive current, voltage has nothing to do with it. You can use it on 110 VAC OR 220VAC or. 12 or 24v etc.
 
Jan 4, 2006
7,158
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
It's early, I haven't had my coffee yet, the parrot is chewing on my ear for attention so maybe I'm missing something someone has already said ............................. but POWER (heat) input to the fuse is the result of the voltage drop across the fuse and NOT the circuit voltage.

Voltage drop X amps = power.
 
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Feb 17, 2006
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The voltage rating of a fuse is the maximum voltage that it can safely interrupt. If the voltage is higher than that, when the fuse blows, it may maintain the circuit by arcing internally – not a good situation.
Agree, the AC rating vs the DC rating is based on the ability to stop arcing. DC arching is harder to prevent than AC arching. That is why a high voltage AC rating will usually have a low DC voltage rating.
 
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May 17, 2004
5,544
Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
The voltage is a maximum as some others have said. No harm done from using a 24V, 110V or 240V fuse in a 12V circuit, it will still blow at its maximum ampacity.

For those saying the fuse blows because of power, which is V * A, you are technically correct. But the V in that equation is the voltage drop across the fuse, not for the circuit as a whole. A fuse is a very low resistance - it’s not generating a 12V drop or that would leave no volts for the whole rest of the circuit. An ideal fuse produces very little voltage drop, so it doesn’t dissipate energy as waste
 
Jul 4, 2015
436
Hunter 34 Menominee, MI; Sturgeon Bay WI
It's early, I haven't had my coffee yet, the parrot is chewing on my ear for attention so maybe I'm missing something someone has already said ............................. but POWER (heat) input to the fuse is the result of the voltage drop across the fuse and NOT the circuit voltage.

Voltage drop X amps = power.
Voltage drop across the fuse is going to be near zero whether the source is 24 V or 12 V until the fuse blows, at which time it will be either 24V or 12 V

Also, P=IV; Power at 24(10) is different than 12(10), and yet the resistance of the fuse is fixed. So it would seem to matter greatly what voltage the fuse is rated for.
Fuse blows due to excessive current, voltage has nothing to do with it. You can use it on 110 VAC OR 220VAC or. 12 or 24v etc.
I thought it blows due to it's inherent resistance which in turn generates the power causing it to melt, the resistance being calculated using V=IR
 
May 17, 2004
5,544
Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
Here’s a spec sheet for some random glass fuses -

Notice that the 10A fuse has a DC resistance of 0.006 ohms. So in a circuit just before it blows it will be causing a voltage drop of 10*0.006 = 0.06 V and dissipating 0.06*10 = 0.6 watts. The heat of dissipating 0.6 watts is what burns the fuse wire. The same amount of heat is generated whether the circuit as a whole is carrying 12V or 24V.
 
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jssailem

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Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
When faced with discussing what feels like a simple subject, yet the discussion sounds confused, I resort to identifying the data. Stated in post 7 @Ilanortho says the books are not identifying the issue.

Perhaps this link will help.

In review some of what has been stated by all is valid.
 
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May 17, 2004
5,544
Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
And a handy tutorial on fuses -

Note in particular the statement “The voltage rating on the fuse can be higher than the voltage present on the circuit, but not the other way around.”
 
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Tater

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Oct 26, 2021
198
Hunter 170 Lake Logan Martin AL
When a fuse blows, especially due to short circuit, there is a tendency for "arc over". The metal + air inside the fuse envelope will ionize and current flow will continue. Many fuses contain chemicals to suppress the ionization. The voltage rating must always be equal or greater than the maximum possible. I have seen this happen. The fuse is really pretty while everything else catches fire.
https://www.eaton.com/content/dam/e...ive-device-ratings/bus-ele-voltage-rating.pdf
 
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jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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There is a physical difference between DC and AC fuses. It relates to the Arc issue in a DC circuit as identified by @Brian D
 
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LloydB

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Jan 15, 2006
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Macgregor 22 Silverton
'Is a 10A fuse designated as 24V still a 10A fuse for 12V system? Tech told me yes, Ohm's law says otherwise. What am I missing here?'
One answer is that you weren't paying him enough for his advice or another is that he is selling replacement electronic parts. My guess is you only remembered the short part of the answer that he gave you. For enlightenment go here > littelfuse.com < and read through their FAQ because you will find out about stuff that you didn't even know that you want to know when you need to know it and those guys know about fuses.
 
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Jan 18, 2016
782
Catalina 387 Dana Point
Ohms law really doesn't apply*. At normal current levels a fuse is much more a wire than a resistor. If a fuse ever measures at 2+ ohms it's a bad fuse.

TLDR:
Current blows fuses**.
Voltage is important for arcing as explained above.
Fuses should (may) have different max voltage ratings for DC vs AC because of the arcing issue and some may be specific for AC or DC.
Fuses used on boats should be ignition protected, particularly for high loads.
The purpose of the fuse is to protect the wire - i.e. the fuse burns inside it's protected case before the wire burns inside that nice wooden cabinetry which may cause a bad day on the water.


* Well, reeee, yes, ohm's law always applies somehow, someway. But not to calculate anything about fuses from a user's perspective. Nobody really needs to care about all that except for the person designing the fuse.

** Really it's current + time. But we don't really care that much because the wire that's being protected also has a time factor before it bursts into flame, and that time should be greater than the fuse if the wire and fuse was sized correctly. Example, how a Blue Seas MBRF fuse reacts to current over time:
terminal_fuse_delay_4.jpg


So, for minor overcurrent situations, it could take quite awhile to pop this fuse.
This is why MBRF's and other large fuses are perfectly acceptable to be used on batteries that provide starting power to boat engines. (There's a MaineSail article on this)