Forestay too long

Apr 3, 2019
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Macgregor 26M P Cub Boo Mobile AL
Glad to hear it's easy to drop the mast @Crazy Dave Condon. Hope he can do it soon and get everything measured. I think that will identify the problem in short order.

Looks like Dave and Judy are taking a hard look at the forestay/furler, so we may be near a resolution.

I have a 2013 Mac 26m, bought in 2015 from the first purchaser. There were numerous rigging issues, some of which I have identified and solved. Some were identified by my posting photos/info in various forums. All of that to say, it's not unheard of to get a boat that isn't set up properly, or that has been "enhanced" by a PO. When you encounter something strange, start comparing things to factory specs and see if anything is amiss. If you can't figure it out, put as much info as you can in posts to allow forum members to try and help. The more info exchanged, the better the help.

Having said that, the OP may have career and family commitments that prevent him from getting back immediately with info requests. Or, his boat may be too far away to allow a quick info response. I recommend patience, although the suspense is killing me...
 
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Jun 25, 2004
508
Corsair F24 Mk1 003 San Francisco Bay, CA
It would be interesting who the person in the photo is measuring that forestay.
That’s a photo taken by a customer of mine who bought a used Hunter 26. We made a mainsail and a headsail for his boat, and we taught him how to do a basic tune on his rig.

That particular photo was taken to document how high to make the tack of the headsail above the deck.

It’s just one of about 40-50 rig measurements we take before designing sails. We need to know all the dimensions of the rig and deck hardware, including forestay length, furler position, mast rake, mast bend, boom angle to mast, chainplate locations in 3D coordinates, etc.. We take digital photos too, about two dozen per boat to visually review and use them to proof the measurements that w e recorded. We kept a database with all the rig data which has thousands of boats in it. Modern sail design software used the data as inputs

We compared every customer’s measurements and photos to boats of the same model or a similar design.

It’s very, very common to find boats with significant modifications made to the rigging. Prior Owners change things on their boats... and we all know that a new (subsequent) owner may have to replace hardware and change the way the rig is tuned to get it set up the way they want. There's no single "right" way to rig or tune a sailboat. But even so, sometimes the prior owner made ill advised changes to the hardware and rig.

As part of our customer service,,we offered technical advise on how to do a basic tune for all kinds of rigs, including but not limited to B&R rigs.

..... so that’s a long winded story of the background of how I have up close and detailed photos of thousands of rigs in my database.

Judy
Retired sailmaker
 
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Jun 25, 2004
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Corsair F24 Mk1 003 San Francisco Bay, CA
@Crazy Dave Condon ,

Dave,
I greatly respect your extensive expertise about the Hunter sailboats! And I’m sure most members of the community do too. I doubt folks mean to be disrespectful when they jump in to help a new owner of an old boat. That’s what we all do on the forums; we try to help other boat owners.

The forum is all about “crowd sourcing”.

Respectfully,
Judy B
 
Jun 25, 2004
508
Corsair F24 Mk1 003 San Francisco Bay, CA
By the way, I looked up more information in our files about that photo. It's an FF4, not an FF2. I surmise that a previous owner chose to install a CDI FF4 rather than an FF2. That's a perfectly good choice for an H26, arguably better than an FF2 in some cases. For example, a bigger diameter drum provides more mechanical advantage in high winds; it also has a greater capacity for line so you can use fatter line for comfort if you want.
 
Aug 9, 2019
14
Hunter H26 Simpatico Hayden Island
OK Guys,

OP Here. I've had some family stuff and a day on the water and have been away from my computer. I've done some research on my own and viewed all the responses here.

I've come to the conclusion that my mast is not original. I have about 4' of mast above the topmost position of the mainsail. It seems close in all other regards. So I intend loeplawering the mast and chopping some off, install spinnaker running rigging, replace anchor light with a LED, install a wind indicator. But we have bridges above and below us with limited clearance. One can be opened, one not. The one that is openable is not manned. they have to send someone over. Can take an hour. So I'd like to be able to sneak under the other one at 39' There are longer range plans. I would like to address the forestay sooner than later. Kinda want to shorten it without lowering the mast. Mast rake creates a heavy helm!!! Always fighting the tiller. I also have the thought of a quick release forestay and tilting the mast back to allow bridge clearance at any river level.

If I cut loose the forestay, can I lower the mast to around 45* without loosening the side stays or taking off the boom? Just use a tackle to lower and raise from the forestay attachment point?

Sorry for all the clutter in my original question. But I do still have 12" too much rake. So my original question is still valid for the most part. Can I get a compression fitting for the forestay and shorten it? I see some of the fittings can be over $100. I should be able to get a whole new forestay made for under $200. But that means lowering the mast and the boat resides on the water.
 
Apr 3, 2019
275
Macgregor 26M P Cub Boo Mobile AL
You need to build or buy a mast raising rig. I don't know about leaving the boom connected while you lower. Depends on the specific boom connection on your boat. With a little time and effort you should be able to pull or rotate the boom and partially drop the mast to duck under bridges. You may need to add some baby stays to keep the mast in line while raising and lowering. You can damage a lot of hardware if you let the mast wander around during raising/lowering.

Look at the Macgregor 26m rig. Also google mast raising gin pole. Just for ideas...
 
Jun 8, 2004
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The Hunter 26 came with a mast raising pole and two babystays( to keep the mast from going sideways).
do you have that gear. Worked with clients to lower the mast partially so they could clear a train tressel going from Aquia Harbor to the Chesapeake Bay.
 
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Jun 8, 2004
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Judy;

It was suggested by the founder of CDI to use the FF2 vs. the FF4. Granted the FF4 is larger and good for a boat or Hunter 26 if staying in the water but more manageable when trailering the Hunter 26/260. Worked great for the boats I put on. Also the extrusion now comes in a larger box vs. coiled in a much smaller box which created issues.
 
Jan 7, 2005
838
Hunter 26 Guntersville Lake, (AL)
One final thing to confirm ... make sure your forestay T-ball fitting is in place and has not come loose from the slot near the top of the mast. This happened to me! BrianW
 
Jun 25, 2004
508
Corsair F24 Mk1 003 San Francisco Bay, CA
I've come to the conclusion that my mast is not original. I have about 4' of mast above the topmost position of the mainsail. It seems close in all other regards.
@joecool911
I’m curious... what measurements did you do to arrive at your conclusion?
Have you confirmed that the luff of the mainsail is 30’ 1” or so?
What is the measurement from the max hoist of the halyard down to the base of the mast?
 
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