I've always been afraid, perhaps irrationally, to tow. On the Stiletto (the the F-24) there is a big tramp where I could stow something small and light. On the PDQ there were davits for something heavy, and I stacked kayaks on top of the davits (actually very easy, once you learn the trick). I've always wondered what I would do if the weather turned while I was towing, and in the time spent wondering, simply hauled it on deck. I didn't want to need to keep looking back. Thus, I think I would never want a dinghy that couldn't come on deck in moments with just one person. I do see people towing, but really, it's not very common practice on the Chesapeake Bay. It can get a nasty, steep chop. Doesn't seem worth the wear on the dinghy, banging into breaking crests and going airborne.I've always towed a dinghy behind my 25- there jut is not enough deck space to bring it aboard. I've had a small inflatable a,d a small hard dink. I'd personally prefer the inflatable, but my ex took it so I built a hard dinghy. Like Sumner I've only had one problem and that was due to the dinghy being under inflated due to an air leak I didn't know about.
Picture shot somewhere around 75-100 miles off shore, GOM
Ditto and wouldn't want a smaller one for how we cruise. It rides on the davits on the Endeavour but I have no problems towing it with the Mac,I've always towed a dinghy behind my 25- there jut is not enough deck space to bring it aboard. ....
I'll phrase this as a dumb question. It's more fun that way.... An advantage a small boat has is the small cabin area and reduced area that needs heating. Slept in the boat in the low 30's and go with long underwear and a stocking cap.
In the morning making coffee usually warms the cabin. If not...
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... we run the heater above for a few minutes, but more than that and it drives you out. If the pop-top is down to conserve heat then we prop it up a few inches and open the companionway hatch a bit for ventilation when running either the stove or the heater and would never use either sleeping.
Anyone ever tow kayaks on open water? I frequently tow them with a tender in and around marshy islands to save paddling time and energy, but never far on open water.Ditto and wouldn't want a smaller one for how we cruise. It rides on the davits on the Endeavour but I have no problems towing it with the Mac,
Sumner
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1300 miles to The Bahamas and Back in the Mac...
Endeavour 37 Mods...
MacGregor 26-S Mods...
Mac Trips to Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Canada, Florida, Bahamas
Charlie,had not a clue that long cruises could be made in smaller boats- totally brainwashed by the "slicks"
My take is...I'll phrase this as a dumb question. It's more fun that way.
"In what way is a non-vented heater, like the Little Mr. Buddy illustrated above, any better than simply leaving the stove on? Is it really any different?"
I credit a certain Mr. Johnstone for creating that particular anomaly. He seems to have an affinity for convincing people that they absolutely positively must have this specific one little boat...that he just happens to make. He also builds a good boat & does good market research. He's where he is for a good reason....The one area that seems to be bucking the trend is the smaller racing boats. The J70 and other sport boats that have 3 person crews continue to gain popularity, while the big boats with large crews are less popular.
See underlined above. The bottom line is that as I stated, there is a radiant difference and not much else. Neither can be used unattended, without venting, or while sleeping. My thought is that there isn't much point in carrying the small heater, that I will only use a few hours each year, if the differences are so slight. If it is to be used regularly, neither option is acceptable. Others will feel differently.... the stove has none of the safety features [stove has flame out and low O2... at least mine does. Most do.] and the heat goes straight up as you mentioned. It heats the air but no real radiant heat. The little buddy gives you radiant heat that is directional as you pointed out. We heat the house with a wood burning stove and if you are near the stove, which we usually are, the radiant heat really makes a difference. The other day in the morning the house was 64 degrees and I started a fire. 45 minutes later the heat had climbed about 1 degree but we felt much warmer than that due to the radiant heat. [Personally, I always found radiant heat annoying--red on one side, blue on the other--but that may be personal taste.]
The Little Buddy has low oxygen shutoff [mine does] tip-over safety shutoff and a wire guard[obviously irrelevant, as I explained]. The stove has none of that. I'm not sure but believe that the Little Buddy burns the fuel more completely than the stove. [There is no basis for this. Gas and alcohol stoves run very clean when there is no pot present to quench the flame.]
Now saying all of that we have only used the Little Buddy maybe about 5 times in the Mac as fixing a meal as you mentioned is about all we needed. We used the Little Buddy about 15 days last winter/spring in the Endeavour while living/working on her in the boat yard in Florida when the temps got down into the 40's. Would get up and run it for 45 minutes or so. We have an electric space heater but it usually doesn't work as everyone else in the yard is trying to use one also and the 110 voltage goes down under 100 volts and they don't do much. Do use an elect. blanket at night when it is that cold.
We don't keep the propane bottles in the cabin of either boat. They are in the cockpit except when being used. In months of living on both boats and only needing heat maybe 3-4 hours total I can't see trying to come up with a vented heating system for either boat, especially the Mac. If we planned on being in the north on the Endeavour I'd look into a vented heater but that probably won't happen for us.
Sumner
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1300 miles to The Bahamas and Back in the Mac...
Endeavour 37 Mods...
MacGregor 26-S Mods...
Mac Trips to Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Canada, Florida, Bahamas
So much for journalistic integrity. Or perhaps the writes have never been on boats and every one seems more wonderful then the one before. Or their office cubical.wonderful or even more than wonderful..... and coincidently the builder is buying a display ad in every issue....
It seems like the small boat market is HUGE, to me but, as has been discussed in another thread, most of that is buying used. The mariner class is very active. I live near lake Winnipesaukee and lake Champlain and Lake George. Most of the sailboats, if not all, are under 35'. I've just not seen as many sailboats overall in the marinas I pass by. I noted on a recent trip to Miami that I saw NO masts anywhere driving across the causeway and along the ICW in that area.My guess is that smaller boat sailors still have a "critical mass" in the market place in the UK
I like Practical Boat Owner. Good articles and some testing. You ought to try Practical Sailor (no ads and better testing) and Good Old Boat (lots of DIY stuff, fewer infomercials). I think you would like them.I have discontinued my subscriptions to CW and Sail. Sailing is on it's last year, after 30 years. The display ads are mostly about big luxury boat sailing and cheaply-built boats. Small boats never seem to get their due. I miss Small Boat Journal, but time marches on.
Nowadays we subscribe to some wonderful UK magazines that really cover all of the boat sizes. Practical Boat Owner and Yachting Monthly. My guess is that smaller boat sailors still have a "critical mass" in the market place in the UK, so magazines cater to them quite a bit, along with larger-boat owners.
Aside: when they evaluate a boat in those UK sailing magazines, they actually point out bad points as well as good points! Same with sailing gear. Radical idea...
This is totally unlike the US mags, where every boat they test is wonderful or even more than wonderful..... and coincidently the builder is buying a display ad in every issue....