Cuba

Oct 26, 2008
6,247
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
Actually ...

Scott: I have been in over 40 countries and sounds like you would not have enjoyed being military for 21 years! Happy Holidays! Chief
I think I do know what you meant. I appreciate the humor! :D yes, a meaningful relationship is preferred!
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,067
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
All political stuff aside, I have always wanted to sail to Cuba. The idea of doing that has intrigued me for many years.. I have sailed to Mexico, on the west side of the Gulf, and I've wanted to go to Cuba on the east side of the Gulf. The food and culture and sights (and great cigars) have interested me for years .. along with the Hemingway tales. Looks like we may get a chance in a few years.
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,183
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Cuba Sailing

Well, I think you'd be well advised to go slowly as to sailing around Cuba. Havana and maybe Santiago would probably be OK but when you get out of those area, you get into the web of locally-interpreted laws and regulations that lack a lot of consistency. At least as told to me by people who were sailing there last time I visited Santiago. I guess coming to that city from the Dominican Republic is a popular route. Provisioning will be a nightmare past cheap rum. (BTW, they have some darn good wine. Who knew?)The store offerings are slim. It took a half a day and visit to six stores to get olive oil and cheese.
As a tourist, you are pretty much expected to spend money at hotels and tours and not stay with locals or run around on your own. The hotel stay was mandated, the wandering around just frowned upon.
My wife's half-sisters are Cubans. Their father was a Central-American revolutionary who became Communist and went to Cuba and marched on Havana. We visited legally about eight years ago. It was an experience, some wonderful, some frustrating. For example, there is a bit of an apartheid in action which works to seperate the common Cuban from tourists and tourist-recreation. For example, we could not take them into hotels and certain restaurants. If we stayed with them, they risked being taxed even if they charged us nothing, under the theory that they could have charged us and the government wanted their share. We travelled to the yacht club in Santiago which was gated and guarded by an armed policeman. While we could have visited, the family was not allowed in; we passed.
Anyhow, I understand things are loosening up a bit, although many things are closed off soon after. It will evolve, everything does. They have to overhaul their infrastructure, economy and privatize *for real* much of the economy in order to compete and thrive. I think they are slowly starting.
If you visit, enjoy. Get off the tourist route, mix it up with the locals and enjoy. Watch your step, but enjoy the art, music, sights & sounds. The people are open, beautiful, welcoming and, be prepared to be solicited; sex isn't just trade, for Cubans, it's just as much recreation. :D
I'd love to go back some day, but after the interrogation ordeal we went through in Cuba upon leaving, it isn't likely I'd be able to convince my wife.

 

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Jan 22, 2008
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NorSea 27 Az., Doing the To-Do list
All political stuff aside, I have always wanted to sail to Cuba. The idea of doing that has intrigued me for many years.. I have sailed to Mexico, on the west side of the Gulf, and I've wanted to go to Cuba on the east side of the Gulf. The food and culture and sights (and great cigars) have interested me for years .. along with the Hemingway tales. Looks like we may get a chance in a few years.
you might want to wonder over to Free Cruising Guides dot com :)(http://freecruisingguides.com/) and download the Cuba Cruising Guide.
http://freecruisingguides.com/cuba/2013/08/03/a-cruising-guide-to-cuba-is-here/

Greg
 
Oct 26, 2008
6,247
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
Scott, I think Rich has a point, at least in regards to the "less than forthright" maneuverings in evidence today.

And while looking over my supposed "world" news feeds, I'm hard-pressed to spot a non US-based source.

Some guy named "Pope" is all over this Cuba thing, too. ;)
I'm not against improved relationships. I simply have a dim view of tourism when it appears that it is likely to be exploitative. What's in it for the Cubans when they are still under the thumb of a brutal regime. I don't feel comfortable being a free visitor in a land that is not free. If you tell me that has changed, then I'm listening. So far, crickets on that account.

What are we doing to help free Cubans? Will opening it up for us to enjoy their hotels and beaches make a difference to the citizens? I'm listening if you want to provide some evidence that circumstances will improve for Cubans. Benny says that Mr. Putin is now taking an interest. That sounds ominous for Cubans to me.
 

Tom J

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Sep 30, 2008
2,325
Catalina 310 Quincy, MA
Am anxiously awaiting to see if sailing to Cuba will now be allowed. Having been at the university of Miami back in 1961 i recall all my fraternity brothers stories of the pre Castro Cuba. I would love to make the trip next year and see for myself.
When I left the Gulf Coast of Florida in 2010, our dock mate was preparing his classic sailboat for the St. Pete to Havana rally. He said that his boat had participated in the rally years ago, before it was shut down by the U.S., and that any restrictions had now been lifted. I don't know for sure if the rally ever happened.
We met several Canadians on the Intracoastal who said they were headed to Cuba, and that they enjoyed the uncrowded marina and the friendly people. A friend of mine went there a few years ago, and he said the people were helpful and outgoing. Not all the money spent there goes to the government. The local economy is helped out quite a bit.
 
Feb 20, 2011
8,058
Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
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I'd love to go back some day, but after the interrogation ordeal we went through in Cuba upon leaving, it isn't likely I'd be able to convince my wife.
What did that entail, if you'd care to say?
 
Oct 26, 2008
6,247
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
Agreed ...

The best thing we can do for international relations, no matter the nation, is to trade fairly with them.
but that appears to be impossible at this time because of the Cuban government, not because of our government or our citizens. Cuban citizens have no choice in this matter, unless I'm missing something.
 
Feb 20, 2011
8,058
Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
but that appears to be impossible at this time because of the Cuban government, not because of our government or our citizens. Cuban citizens have no choice in this matter, unless I'm missing something.
Like I said, old fears die hard.

Normalization will take awhile, of course. Hey, at least the ball's beginning to roll.

This could be "the beginning of a beautiful friendship". :)
 
Sep 20, 2006
2,952
Hunter 33 Georgian Bay, Ontario, Canada
This post is bordering on politics but is relevant to cruising via sailboat so should remain here as long it stays out of the political realm. ;)
 
May 24, 2004
7,164
CC 30 South Florida
People in Havana and all over Cuba are happy with the news. Most of the people here in the US are happy too. What is wrong when the majority of the people are willing to set differences aside but a small nucleus of politicians and activists oppose a reconciliation just because someone else and not them acted about it. The Embargo never yielded the desired results and has lost any relevance now. It is just there to hurt the Cuban people. In the eyes of the world this does not provide our Nation any credibility. The regime it intended to affect has not hurt any just the people which surprisingly are still friendly to us.
 
May 4, 2005
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Macgregor 26d Ft Lauderdale, Fl
Hot button issue here is So FLa... for sure!

I work with several Cubans and ABC's (American Born Cubans). strong opinions on both sides.

Personally, I would love to go fishing and diving there, like the Europeans and Canadians have for some time.

from what I heard on NPR tonight the travel ban has been lifted...

I'll probably fly over 1st time.

Thanks for the cruising guide link.
 
Feb 20, 2011
8,058
Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
This post is bordering on politics but is relevant to cruising via sailboat so should remain here as long it stays out of the political realm. ;)
I have begun a thread with the same name in the war room, for those who can stand the heat. ;)
 
Aug 16, 2006
281
Ericson 32 Oregon coast
Justsomeguy, Good, The opening post was within

bounds but this is getting blatantly political and should be moved to the War Room.
 
Aug 8, 2006
340
Catalina 34 Naples FL
Sailing in sw florida there is and always has been much talk of sailing to Cuba. From naples it is an overnight sail to the keys then another overnight sail to Cuba. Opinions are mixed but it is here so i for one am planning to,go. I believe many in our cruise club will also go.
 

Nils T

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Jun 1, 2014
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Precision 23 Winter Park, FL
I think this is wonderful news and I think it some thing that should have happened a very long time ago. Cuba is suffering and hopefully this will change that.
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,183
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
I Wish We Knew

What did that entail, if you'd care to say?
All we know is that when we presented our exit papers, we were split off and put in two interrogation rooms. They asked where we stayed, who we were with, what we saw, when. how long, etc. Then they asked in a different format and in different ways, they then exchanged interviewers and did it all over again. I played stupid and no Spanish, and I think it helped. Anyhow, after they conferred a few times, they cut us loose. We speculated that maybe they thought my wife was a Cuban that stole a passport, or they wanted to catch us staying in an illegal room, or they somehow thought we were infiltrators somehow (we both had had some political past) or??? Anyhow, as you can imagine, my wife being a political refugee once, that was frightening and I doubt we'll be back. Her half sisters have dual citizenship, so half of them have left the county since for Central America. They have started their own businesses there, worked their rears off and doing well.
 
Jan 22, 2008
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Hunter 29.5 Gloucester, VA
Instead of trying to imagine what a paradise Cuba is, find a Cuban immigrant and ask them what it's like. We have 3 that work in our company and say they won't return until the Castros are gone. Bad enough to risk their lives to escape. Some of their family didn't make it.
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,183
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
I don't see this as being rancorous and it's still about sailing and a destination. As long as it doesn't run off the rails and has something about sailing or a destination thereof, seems OK to me.