COLREGS interpretation RE incident

May 17, 2004
5,679
Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
Oct 9, 2008
1,742
Bristol 29.9 Dana Point
Ok, here's the story. Not that anyone was on the edge of their seat :)
I wanted to get consensus from this board first.

I was boat A, sailing vessel under motor power.
Boat B was a fishing charter -cattle boat.
The incidents happened in reverse order. I posted in reverse so as to address them both separately.

None of the below would have mattered, normally. I avoid boats all the time. In this case I may have been miffed for a couple seconds, (had nothing else happened) but was more interested in my anticipation of dinner -Stoufer's lasagne tossed in the microwave when I hit the dock. Fantastic frozen entree. Anyway...

In regards to Rule 9, does not apply. As I stated originally, neither boat was encumbered. See pic of harbor. Big channel. Also those boats are reasonably nimble.

So I'm coming into the harbor at 5 knots - I maintained speed throughout the course (see hand-drawn map. No snickering at my artwork), and boat B passes and then royally cuts my port bow. Had to take evasive. Not butt clinching, but produced a frown. Had I been headed for the west channel, would have been emergency collision avoidance. Contact slightly possible.

So then we're abreast, with him gaining ahead. He then slows and takes a wide berth to port, presumably to avoid another boat which was exiting. So far to port in fact that he would have encountered exiting traffic had there been any.
I then had a better angle, and my boat overtook his. Then we're pacing with me ahead and to his starboard.

I check my port quarter. He had slowed and was pacing me aft, I presumed to give me space, so there was sufficient room. I turn to port, as should be expected in the main channel - see map and pic. In any case, I was stand on. I should anticipate the other to give way should he need to (he didn't need to). I would have given way, had there been a collision danger.

So... What does he do? Just what Shemandr said :-D He opens up that PA and starts berating me, while his crew and customers look on.
Says (paraphrase) how dare I cross his bow. And "you must be kidding me". Like I'm some kind of idiot.

So he squashes my entry, clearly violating the rules, then publicly chastises me 2 minutes later for doing what should be expected.

I lost it a little. Told him what a dumbass he was, and showed him the green vs red side of my boat. He could hear me on listen-back. Then he said I should slow down, as speed limit is 5mph. I was doing 5.75mph (5kt), pacing him.
Then we were on our separate ways.

The reason for this thread is that I started to feel guilty for cussing him. Very sailor-like, but not much class. I regret it. Also, he's a commercial captain, and I am a recreational sailor. I started to dread at the thought of my being the one who was wrong. So I chatted you guys up. :)
 

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Mar 15, 2013
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Islander 32 mkll Comox Hrb.
In Rule 13 (overtaking) it says, Notwithstanding anything contained in the rules of part B sections 1 and 2 any vessel overtaking any other vessel Shall keep out of the way of the vessel being overtaken! So, sections 1and 2 include Rules 4to 18, and overtaking supercedes all things inclusive.
 
Oct 9, 2008
1,742
Bristol 29.9 Dana Point
Summary:
At the mouth of the harbor, boat B should have fallen in behind me, or confirmed visually that I was turning to starboard prior to him doing so, and with more room initially allotted to my port.

At the 2nd turn, as we are at the same speed, boat B should have simply fallen in behind me prior to the turn (this would also have put him back on the right side of the channel), or used his anticipation and visual of my turn and steered to starboard to cross my stern. -If needed. Wasn't needed.-
Instead of continuing ahead and getting mouthy on the PA. Very unprofessional.
 
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Mar 15, 2013
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Islander 32 mkll Comox Hrb.
Yes, that was very unprofessional. As a professional mariner of 30 yrs I am required to know Rules 1-19 and all interpretations and definitions verbatim, and the rest coherently. The entire regulations are in play at all times. That gentleman was navigating with his ego system engaged!
 
Jun 11, 2011
1,243
Hunter 41 Lewes
I'm gonna have to be that guy in this situation. I'm in Stamford Ct. and the layout is similar.
First it's a five mile per hour no wake zone in both instances so there shouldn't be ANY passing.
Anyone setting up aft of you and to Starboard or Port is already planning on breaking rule 1.
If you are in a channel any overtaking vessel should use sound or the VHF to AGREE upon a passing plan.
 
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Mar 15, 2013
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Islander 32 mkll Comox Hrb.
You are correct Uncledom . Arrangements shall be made by radio or appropriate sound signals, and if the v/l to be overtaken is in any doubt she may use the signal in 34(d) five short and rapid blasts, which also means WTH!!
 
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capta

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Jun 4, 2009
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Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
Thanks, Capta.
I know some signals. Hard to remember them all.
What is the whistle signal for "I'm the guy ahead of you and I'm turning to port"?
It's a good recommendation. However, I've been coming in and out of this harbor for many years, and have never heard a whistle or horn signal. Horn blasting :) but no true signal code. Even if I used it, they'd likely think I was just honking at them.
First off, you are assuming the guy behind you is paying attention when you begin a maneuver that becomes a crossing situation, with only 75' between you. What if he's otherwise occupied with some cute little thing? I know, not good, but it happens, right? He might become flustered and turn the wong way. 75' at 5 knots is not a lot of room.

one short blast to mean "I am altering my course to starboard: I intend to leave you on my port side";
two short blasts to mean "I am altering my course to port: I intend to leave you on my starboard side";
three short blasts to mean "I am operating astern propulsion”.
two prolonged blasts followed by one short blast to mean "I intend to overtake you on your starboard side"
two prolonged blasts followed by two short blasts to mean "I intend to overtake you on your port side"
The vessel about to be overtaken when acting in accordance with Rule 9(e)(i) shall indicate her agreement by the following signal on her whistle:
one prolonged, one short, one prolonged and one short blast, in that order.
When vessels in sight of one another are approaching each other and from any cause either vessel fails to understand the intentions or actions of the other, or is in doubt whether sufficient action is being taken by the other to avoid collision, the vessel in doubt shall immediately indicate such doubt by giving at least five short and rapid blasts on the whistle.
A vessel nearing a bend or an area of a channel or fairway where other vessels may be obscured by an intervening obstruction shall sound one prolonged blast. Such signal shall be answered with a prolonged blast by any approaching vessel that may be within hearing around the bend or behind the intervening obstruction.
Knowing, and using these should get you going safely. There are plenty of others, but these are the common ones.
 
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