CO alarm problem (?)

Jul 7, 2004
8,481
Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
My batteries are kept all the way at the stern in a locker isolated from the cockpit. Could a small refrigeration unit set it off? Thing is, it has been in operation for weeks and this is a new development.
 
Mar 26, 2011
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Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
Google "gas sensor interference" and see if anything comes to mind on any reference table. Freon can set them off, but if it was leaking enough to measure the fridge would probably be dead by now.
 
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Dec 28, 2015
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Laser, Hunter H30 Cherubini Tacoma
Please check the numbers or provide a link. Depending on the sensor, CO sensors do detect H2, but generally are only about 20-60% as sensitive as to CO. I suspect the presenter slipped a decimal or two. The sensitivities to acetylene, Freon, and condensing water are larger, more than double.
https://www.indsci.com/blog-search/understanding-cross-sensitivities-can-help-to-keep-workers-safer/
https://www.raesystems.com/sites/de...ces/Technical-Note-114_updated_03-26-2018.pdf
Your right, I got my wires crossed. I should have put down 50-60% cross sensitivity. Let’s say it’s 50% Because all professional sensors are different and who knows about these over the counter models. If the meter is showing a ppm then the potential hydrogen ( if that is all what it is sensing) is actually double.
 
Mar 26, 2011
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Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
Yeah, I have never seen interference listed for low-end models. However, since there are no filters or other mechanisms up stream of the detector, and I believe the interferences are intrinsic to the chemistry of the sensor, I don't expect it to vary that much.

I've never run into this problem on boats because the batteries (coincidence) happened to be in the cockpit lockers. Only in industry.
 
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Jul 7, 2004
8,481
Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
I hung out all weekend on the boat with the Kidde in its place. No alarm. 0.0 on the readout. No change made whatsoever. Weird.
 
Dec 28, 2015
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Laser, Hunter H30 Cherubini Tacoma
My batteries are kept all the way at the stern in a locker isolated from the cockpit. Could a small refrigeration unit set it off? Thing is, it has been in operation for weeks and this is a new development.
I'd just purchase a new detector for piece of mind. If you haven't used any new cleaners, detergents brake cleaner (the old kind that works really well) then its probably the detector, off gassing batteries or a little of both. Could be your refrigerator unit but like already said, I think you would have symptoms from that if it was given its small capacity of refrigerant. We have had batteries cook off from having a bad cell (s) the onboard charger senses a low voltage condition and pumps up the amps which boils the other batteries, electrolyte drops and the batteries heat up more into a vicious cycle. I've been eyeballin the battery maintainers to install on my boat. My 4 batteries are have little to no room on the top of them to easily check the levels.
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Are you sure you were breathing directly into the sensor? Taking big breaths?:poke: :wink:
 
Mar 26, 2011
3,694
Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
Are you sure you were breathing directly into the sensor? Taking big breaths?:poke: :wink:
Slightly off topic, since I'm sure you were joking, but still interesting:

Carbon monoxide in exhale is sometimes used as a means of accessing smoking status. No, this is not while they are actively smoking.
  • 17.13±8.50 parts per million (ppm) for healthy smokers
  • 3.61±2.15 ppm for healthy non-smokers
  • 5.20±3.38 ppm for passive smokers
Cigarette smoke itself is 5,000-50,000 ppm CO.

It takes >40 ppm for 10 hours or 400 ppm for a few minutes to trigger the alarm
 
Jan 19, 2010
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Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
Slightly off topic, since I'm sure you were joking, but still interesting:

Carbon monoxide in exhale is sometimes used as a means of accessing smoking status. No, this is not while they are actively smoking.
  • 17.13±8.50 parts per million (ppm) for healthy smokers
  • 3.61±2.15 ppm for healthy non-smokers
  • 5.20±3.38 ppm for passive smokers
Cigarette smoke itself is 5,000-50,000 ppm CO.

It takes >40 ppm for 10 hours or 400 ppm for a few minutes to trigger the alarm
Interesting.... how does one become a healthy smoker?:pimp: Inquiring minds want to know.:thumbup:
 
Jul 7, 2004
8,481
Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
Arrg! This should be in the "wtf" thread! The monitor has been quiet from my last post to now. This weekend it started again but was quiet when I closed it up. Then last night I got an email from a neighboring slip that my boat is beeping. High cabin temps due to the weather have been the only change. Something must be offgassing. I may just have to pull the battery when we leave and set it back up when stay onboard.
 
Dec 28, 2015
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Laser, Hunter H30 Cherubini Tacoma
Replicate the condition but leave the battery charger off and see if that changes things. These detectors are not bullet proof. You may have a bad one.
 

JamesG161

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Feb 14, 2014
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Hunter 430 Waveland, MS
High cabin temps due to the weather have been the only change.
There is a high temperature limit to those CO monitors.
Maybe remove the battery from the monitor, if possible, while no one is aboard.
Jim...
 
May 27, 2004
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Hunter 30_74-83 Ponce Inlet FL
Some of the units don't provide for a battery removal without breakage.
I live in 95 degree ambient air temp zone and my detector doesn't go off.
I'd say get a new unit.
 

walt

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Jun 1, 2007
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Macgregor 26S Hobie TI Ridgway Colorado
I leave my boat in Arizona during the summer and if I dont take the batteries out of the CO monitor, the alarm goes off on hot days (or so says my next door neighbor). The batteries are just being maintained by solar and a charge controller so no real charging going on. Boat lives under a shaded car port but this is a hot place.

I think its the heat.. But it takes a lot of heat.. Im guessing well over 110F or even more.
 
Jul 7, 2004
8,481
Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
Thx Walt. I drove out last night after my neighbor informed me that it was beeping. It wa quiet when I got there. The air was cooler. No otber change. I took it down anyway. We'll put it back up when we use the boat.
 
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