I am looking to purchase a C22 with swing keel. I live in Long Island where I would have it on mooring or boat slip. For winter months I want to bring it down to Florida. Any recommendations for trailer? Also the Bronco Sport is kinda wimpy ( wish I kept my F150) would that be a problem?
C22 using Bronco sport NY to Florida?
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The Bronco tow capacity is rated between 2000 and 2200 lbs. The C22 displacement is 2250... add the trailer weight and outboard etc. and....... no! I would not take a 20 hour road trip towing that boat with a Bronco.
Ok if I had a vehicle with a heavier tow capacity what about the trailer? Concerns? Modifications?
What about the trailer?
We don't know anything about the one you have. Breaks are nice to have but not a deal breaker on a 22'. Make sure the tires are in good shape and not too old (its not all about tread). If your side walls show any cracks at all.... you tire is dry rot.
Make sure the bearings are freshly packed/greased. Have a good spare, some chocks, properly sized tire iron and a good jack. I also keep a set of spare bearings in my tool kit. Make sure the lights work. I'd also make sure you have yellow running lights along the sides of your trailer... especially if you are going to drive at night. Test drive it and make sure you have enough weight on the trailer tonge to keep it from swaying.
I'd say you'd be better off with a second boat rather than making that trip twice a year.
The Catalina 22 National Sailing Association - Blog - can give you better Cat 22 specific advice. I would join to learn more about your boat. I found the Mariner Class Association to be a godsend in learning my Mariner, well worth the $15/year.
All up your rig is going to weigh close to 3500 lbs. Your tow vehicle needs at least that tow rating, and preferably more. For towing that distance, you will want trailer brakes. Trailer brakes are required in some states for anything over 2000 lbs. You are on the borderline for a tandem axle trailer. Tandem axles tow better, but cost and weigh more.
Fred W
Stuart Mariner 19 Sweet P
All up your rig is going to weigh close to 3500 lbs. Your tow vehicle needs at least that tow rating, and preferably more. For towing that distance, you will want trailer brakes. Trailer brakes are required in some states for anything over 2000 lbs. You are on the borderline for a tandem axle trailer. Tandem axles tow better, but cost and weigh more.
Fred W
Stuart Mariner 19 Sweet P
MY objection to the West Wight Potter 19 is the daggerboard instead of centerboard. I like to run up on the beach or in shallows - the daggerboard is not nearly as handy.
Other reasons I chose a Mariner over a WWP 19:
All up weight of Mariner with trailer is right at 2,000 lbs, easily towed by my minivan or V6 SUV (Hyundai Palisade, Kia Sorento, Honda Oydessy). Have towed from Indiana to eastern NC, and NC to Connecticut.
Fred W
Stuart (ODay) Mariner 19 Sweet P
Other reasons I chose a Mariner over a WWP 19:
- larger cockpit (does mean less cabin space)
- faster - much more sail area on longer waterline
- not slab sided - less windage when trying to anchor or dock. Easier to board from the water.
- much less costly for the same condition. WWP has a cult following which keeps used prices considerably higher, IMO.
All up weight of Mariner with trailer is right at 2,000 lbs, easily towed by my minivan or V6 SUV (Hyundai Palisade, Kia Sorento, Honda Oydessy). Have towed from Indiana to eastern NC, and NC to Connecticut.
Fred W
Stuart (ODay) Mariner 19 Sweet P
Fred thank you I have been trying to look at other pocket cruiser option with displacement weight of around 2000 lbs. thank you for that. I will add to my Options to consider
From Stuart web site:
Length over all: 19ft 2in
Waterline length: 17ft 9in
Beam: 7ft 0in
This is copy/pasted from the Mariner Class Association web site:
RIG DIMENSIONS:
I: 17'9" (Jib Luff)
J: 7'10" (Jib Foot)
P: Approx. 23' (Main Luff) See Racing Rules to determine limit on mast
E: Approx. 10' (Boom) See Racing Rules to determine limit on boom
SA(Fore): 69 Sq. Ft. (Standard Jib)
SA(Main): 115 Sq. Ft.
Total Sail Area: 184 Sq. Ft.
SA/Disp: 23.24
Symmetrical Spinnaker Luffs: 20' (Note: I have never seen anybody flying a symmetric chute. I don't even have a genoa because the standard sail area is more than enough for me single handed, I reef the main when wind is more than 15 kts)
Symmetrical Spinnaker Foot: 14'
Approx. Sail Area: 300 Sq. Ft.
Centerboard Pennant Length: 1/8" x 7' - 19 strand flexible Stainless Steel. Note Stuart Mariners with composite centerboard use rope pennant and cam cleat, not wire on a winch.
Mast Length: 24'8" (Base to Center Halyard Sheave).
Overall Mast Length: 24'10" (Including Masthead Fitting D-108)
Mast Weight: 40 lbs.
Mast Height Above Waterline: Est. 27'6"
Detailed Mast Dimensions: click here
Masthead Drawing and Parts List: click here
Boom Length: 10'4"
Boom weight: 10 lbs.
Draft (min): 10"
Draft (Max): 4'11"
Cast Iron Centerboard Weight: Approx. 165 lbs.
Fiberglass Centerboard Weight: Approx. 70 lbs.
Ballast: 200 lbs. Note Stuart Mariners with composite centerboard have additional 50 lbs internal ballast, for 250 lbs total.
Hull Weight Racing: 1375 lbs.
Trailering Weight: 1400 lbs. (Min.)
If you are interested in buying a Mariner, I highly recommend joining the Mariner Class Association ($15/year) (https://usmariner.org). Several hundred Mariner owners are members and contribute their wisdom. There are Mariner-specific things to look for in a purchase on the web site.
Everywhere but the West Coast, a good used Mariner goes for $3000. Adjust down or up for missing equipment or exceptional equipment. Stuart Mariners, being 10-20 years newer command maybe a $1K+ premium. Mariner are concentrated in the Northeast, but there are some all down the East Coast and the Great Lakes, as well as inland lakes. About 4000 built.
The first Mariners ('61-'67?) do not have quarter berths, a full bulkhead with entry to the cockpit, and do not have a self-bailing cockpit. The latter makes the cockpit more comfortable. The remainder of the ODay production (through '78?) had 2 different exterior cabin styles, but interior was pretty much the same with v-berth and quarter berths. Stuart ('84 to present) production is pretty much the same as the end of the ODay production except for the substitution of the composite centerboard for the cast iron.
You can still buy new Mariners from Stuart - unlike almost any other trailerable sailboat. This means parts are still available.
Fred W
Stuart (ODay) Mariner #4133 Sweet P
Length over all: 19ft 2in
Waterline length: 17ft 9in
Beam: 7ft 0in
This is copy/pasted from the Mariner Class Association web site:
RIG DIMENSIONS:
I: 17'9" (Jib Luff)
J: 7'10" (Jib Foot)
P: Approx. 23' (Main Luff) See Racing Rules to determine limit on mast
E: Approx. 10' (Boom) See Racing Rules to determine limit on boom
SA(Fore): 69 Sq. Ft. (Standard Jib)
SA(Main): 115 Sq. Ft.
Total Sail Area: 184 Sq. Ft.
SA/Disp: 23.24
Symmetrical Spinnaker Luffs: 20' (Note: I have never seen anybody flying a symmetric chute. I don't even have a genoa because the standard sail area is more than enough for me single handed, I reef the main when wind is more than 15 kts)
Symmetrical Spinnaker Foot: 14'
Approx. Sail Area: 300 Sq. Ft.
Centerboard Pennant Length: 1/8" x 7' - 19 strand flexible Stainless Steel. Note Stuart Mariners with composite centerboard use rope pennant and cam cleat, not wire on a winch.
Mast Length: 24'8" (Base to Center Halyard Sheave).
Overall Mast Length: 24'10" (Including Masthead Fitting D-108)
Mast Weight: 40 lbs.
Mast Height Above Waterline: Est. 27'6"
Detailed Mast Dimensions: click here
Masthead Drawing and Parts List: click here
Boom Length: 10'4"
Boom weight: 10 lbs.
Draft (min): 10"
Draft (Max): 4'11"
Cast Iron Centerboard Weight: Approx. 165 lbs.
Fiberglass Centerboard Weight: Approx. 70 lbs.
Ballast: 200 lbs. Note Stuart Mariners with composite centerboard have additional 50 lbs internal ballast, for 250 lbs total.
Hull Weight Racing: 1375 lbs.
Trailering Weight: 1400 lbs. (Min.)
If you are interested in buying a Mariner, I highly recommend joining the Mariner Class Association ($15/year) (https://usmariner.org). Several hundred Mariner owners are members and contribute their wisdom. There are Mariner-specific things to look for in a purchase on the web site.
Everywhere but the West Coast, a good used Mariner goes for $3000. Adjust down or up for missing equipment or exceptional equipment. Stuart Mariners, being 10-20 years newer command maybe a $1K+ premium. Mariner are concentrated in the Northeast, but there are some all down the East Coast and the Great Lakes, as well as inland lakes. About 4000 built.
The first Mariners ('61-'67?) do not have quarter berths, a full bulkhead with entry to the cockpit, and do not have a self-bailing cockpit. The latter makes the cockpit more comfortable. The remainder of the ODay production (through '78?) had 2 different exterior cabin styles, but interior was pretty much the same with v-berth and quarter berths. Stuart ('84 to present) production is pretty much the same as the end of the ODay production except for the substitution of the composite centerboard for the cast iron.
You can still buy new Mariners from Stuart - unlike almost any other trailerable sailboat. This means parts are still available.
Fred W
Stuart (ODay) Mariner #4133 Sweet P
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