Boat to cross Atlantic

[sailingdog]

As long as the keel is in good shape, that shouldn't be much of an issue... they're beautiful boats IMHO...

 

[jibes138]

Buy a Flicka. You can find one within your price range and it is built like a tank.

 

[Team118]

I think don't he was saying you can't work ON your boat because you are not a US citizen, I think he was saying that while working on your boat, you won't be able to work IN the US unless you get working papers/green card/visa, etc.

That would mean you would have to buy a boat, pay storage while you fit it for a cross ocean voyage, pay for room and board and supplies for the boat.

Seems like a bit of a pipe dream...come to America, buy a boat and then sail it across the Atlantic Ocean with little or no experience or knowledge of mid size boats.

I'm 47 and I would LOVE to get a more seaworthy vessel and spend my retirement cruising the world, I have spent hundreds of hours devouring anything about blue water sailing and the rest of the time dreaming of 'what if'...

Best of luck!!!

 

[CarlN]

I just sold my boat (US Documented) to an Australian. He will state register it in RI while he sails in the US for a few years (the sale was in the state of Rhode Island which has no sales tax on boats). Each state has different rules so check before you buy. US state registration/title is perfectly acceptable everywhere in the US and in many other countries. The only obvious downside is you have to put 3" registration numbers on your bow. Frankly, most boats of the price you're considering don't spend the extra for CG registration.

When (and if) my buyer sails her to Australia he would have to pay Australian VAT tax - but that's a long time from now.

There's no problem working on your boat or having a boatyard work on it (assuming you remember to pay them). Many boatyards will require that your boat be insured - but you will be able to purchase that just fine.

Preparing a boat for a safe Atlantic crossing is expensive. Getting from the US to the islands demands considerably less of both the boat and the skipper (although it is still very much a blue water passage).

If you haven't seen it, John Neal has a great list of blue water boats. Here it is:

http://www.mahina.com/cruise.html#boatstoconsider


Carl

 

[jibes138]

Not too sure of this list. Under J-boats he notes "several have lost keels and rudders" and he is recommending them as blue water boats? I think of J-boats as racing machines, not world cruisers.
I looked at an Allied Seawind many years ago, it was a ketch rig. The boat was built like a tank, very heavy. I've sailed next to one and they are pretty slow, my old Catalina 25 could keep up with it. As a blue water boat for reasonable price I would definitely consider it.

 

[sailingdog]

I just sold my boat (US Documented) to an Australian. He will state register it in RI while he sails in the US for a few years (the sale was in the state of Rhode Island which has no sales tax on boats). Each state has different rules so check before you buy. US state registration/title is perfectly acceptable everywhere in the US and in many other countries. The only obvious downside is you have to put 3" registration numbers on your bow. Frankly, most boats of the price you're considering don't spend the extra for CG registration.

If your buyer is an Aussie, he can not USCG document the boat, as only US CITIZENS can do that. Also, it isn't very expensive to USCG document a boat. The fees can be seen here, but a non-commercial exchange of a USCG documentated vessel is only $84, and there is no fee for renewing it annually. If a state registration is $25, then in four years the "expensive" USCG documentation has paid for itself.

When (and if) my buyer sails her to Australia he would have to pay Australian VAT tax - but that's a long time from now.

There's no problem working on your boat or having a boatyard work on it (assuming you remember to pay them). Many boatyards will require that your boat be insured - but you will be able to purchase that just fine.

Preparing a boat for a safe Atlantic crossing is expensive. Getting from the US to the islands demands considerably less of both the boat and the skipper (although it is still very much a blue water passage).

If you haven't seen it, John Neal has a great list of blue water boats. Here it is:

http://www.mahina.com/cruise.html#boatstoconsider


Carl

 

[Ross]

I don't know about US documentation but boats and ships all over the world are flagged from ports all over the world with not a single citizen from the flag country on the ownership papers.
The Taliesin, owned by Lin and Larry pardey flies a Canadian flag, the owners are living in New Zealand and I am not certain of where they get their passports.

 

[sailingdog]

IIRC, the Pardeys are Canadian citizens, which is why their boat is Canadian flagged. The USCG rules require that a majority of the ownership of any US flagged vessel be by US citizens. If the boat is owned by a corporation, the corporation must be majority owned by US citizens.

I don't know about US documentation but boats and ships all over the world are flagged from ports all over the world with not a single citizen from the flag country on the ownership papers.
The Taliesin, owned by Lin and Larry pardey flies a Canadian flag, the owners are living in New Zealand and I am not certain of where they get their passports.

 

[nardus010]

Don`t buy a First30 or an Jeanneau Rush,these are coastal cruisers.(fast they are yes)
Search for an ship that`s well build. Here in Europe there are classes for sailboats. Class B boats for waves max 4 meter. Class A cean going. My Contessa 32 is a class A. And fast too.
Watch this video on youtube :winds up to 26 knots : she`s loving it !