Best orbital sander? (I’ve got 11 bottoms to paint!)

dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
4,259
Belliure 41 Back in the Chesapeake
Around here most of the marinas do not permit any sanding. All of them pressure wash the bottom when the boats are hauled. The following Spring has either the yard workers or the boat owners applying paint as needed without sanding. This does work as long as you do not over apply the paint. Annual full painting is not necessary. I apply a new full coat of water based bottom paint about every four years. Other years I just touch up any bare spots (chips) without sanding. Sanding is most harmful to the boat owners. Paper masks will not protect them well enough IMHO. Eleven bottoms to sand and a paper mask will probably shorten your life.
The marinas where I currently have my boat allow sanding as long as you have a vacuum attached, and you contain all debris in plastic. When I did the bottom of my boat two years ago, I used the plastic that people tore off from winter storage as my plastic drop cloths so I had $0 in tarp costs. ;) I used the Bosch orbital sander that @jssailem mentioned for doing all the sanding. I had to sand off all the old paint down to the gel coat and then I did a complete epoxy barrier coat with it's (minimal but required) sanding.

I used the best respirator I could buy. Paper masks are not even remotely up to the task. Even though I probably did not need it, I used the mask and cartridges that work for both particulates and volatiles - meaning, the best respirators available. As @RoyS says paper masks will probably shorten your life. one of the guys in the marina where I keep my boat walked by and saw me with my respirator on and stopped to chat. He had done one boat a few years earlier without a respirator and it damaged his lungs so badly, he now lives with an oxygen tank. Don't shortcut on this side of things.

dj
 
Jun 8, 2004
10,376
-na -NA Anywhere USA
As a former dealer, sanding by power tools using vacuum tools were done away from the other used and new sailboats on a non wind day with the ground covered with tarps and everyone wearing proper protective gear to minimize or in my case, eliminating dust exposure to people, boats and ground. However I chose using the 4 inch blades to remove the heavy layers of old paint

THE GOOD THING NOW, NO MORE JOBS. I WISED UP AND RETIRED. WHAT A WHOOT!!!
 
Jan 11, 2014
12,727
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
A step up from a simple Shop Vac is a Dust Deputy and a shop Vac. It will pay for itself in short order by the savings in vacuum bags and filters.

I use a DeWalt RO sander, a Dust Deputy and a shop vac with a bag and HEPA filter. The bag stays empty and the filter stays clean. Well work the money.

 
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jssailem

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Oct 22, 2014
22,784
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Oh Dave... I love new toys. "Dust Deputy". Even has a great name.
 
Jan 11, 2014
12,727
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
We had a plan, then Dementia hit our parents.
We had a new plan, errant RNA ran rampant.
We have a new plan, we'll see.....

The clock is ticking our bodies aging, the boat is ready (or close to) and the Bahamas are calling.

As Einstein allegedly observed, "Man plans, God laughs."
 

dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
4,259
Belliure 41 Back in the Chesapeake
We had a plan, then Dementia hit our parents.
We had a new plan, errant RNA ran rampant.
We have a new plan, we'll see.....

The clock is ticking our bodies aging, the boat is ready (or close to) and the Bahamas are calling.

As Einstein allegedly observed, "Man plans, God laughs."
I listen to folks say how you are only as old as you feel mentally. there is some validity to this, but it's not 100%.

For sure your mentality makes a huge different, I know 30 year olds that are mentally older than I am, but there is the inexorable reality that age takes it physical toll. For sure it's different for each individual, but no one avoids it. One thing I've come to understand is that it's not just the changes that physically occur, it's that as one ages, one changes what one wants. Perspectives change, desires change and what one actually wants/needs changes with time.

Good luck sailing to the Bahamas!

dj
 
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Bob S

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Sep 27, 2007
1,797
Beneteau 393 New Bedford, MA
Thinwater posted a DIY dust collector. I copied it a few years back for future projects. I bought my boat in 2017 and the PO had it soda blasted and barrier coated before I purchased it. It has one coat of black and one Shark White (ablative) when the black starts to show I touch up those areas only.

The solution? Create a homemade dust-collection system using a five-gallon bucket with hoses attached to its lid. With a few common tools, $48 in parts, and 10 minutes of shop time, you can cobble together a simple dust-collection bucket that will get you through the longest day of sanding without interruption and that allows easy transportation of the waste to a disposal site.

We’ve used this easy, do-it-yourself tool for bottom sanding, bilge cleaning, shower sumps, black water cleanups, cold fireplace ash, and even pumping muck from a home sump pit. When the five-gallon bucket fills, just move the retrofitted lid to a fresh bucket and continue. Work speeds along, and the full buckets are much easier to carry and safer to transport, pour, or empty into bags than a full shop vac.

What You Need

5-gallon bucket $2.98
Screw-top lid $7.25
(2) 1-in. thru-hulls 2 x $7.99 = $15.98
1-in. PVC 45 elbow 48 cents
(2) 24-foot 1-in. sump hoses 2 x $10.98 = 21.96

Total $48.68

How to build it


The DIY dust bucket is essentially a five-gallon bucket with two through-hulls (inlet and outlet) attached to the lid and sump-pump hoses fitted to the through-hulls. One hose is attached to your sander (inlet), and the other is attached to a shop vac (outlet).

1. To create the buckets outlet fitting, mark a circle thats the diameter of the through-hulls threads in the center of the lid. Cut a hole for the through-hull using a hole saw (best) or saber saw. Trim the through-hull flange to fit around the molded ridges on the lid (hole saw also works well for this). Repeat these steps for the buckets inlet (from sander), placing the through-hull as close to the lids rim as is practical.

2. To finish the inlet from the sander, caulk or glue (polyurethane caulk works well) the PVC 45-degree elbow inside the through-hulls rim fitting, on the underside of the lid, roughly parallel to the buckets wall; this will create swirl.

3. To complete the sanding kit, add one or two 24-foot sections of 1-inch sump pump hose, creating a super-light kit that will easily reach your boats entire bottom without having to move the vacuum as you work. (This hose generates an horrendous whistle when used as an open vacuum line, but when restricted for use with a sander it is quiet.)

Adjust the fitting sizes to suit your vacuum hose. We also recommend buying an extra screw-top bucket lid for transporting the waste to disposal, and buy as many spare buckets and lids as the work may require.

To test the effectiveness of the dustless sanding bucket, we used it with a cheap, thrift-store vacuum designed for small jobs the last time that we sanded the bottom of our 34-foot catamaran. The vac had a tiny paper filter, which clogged quickly when used alone. With it attached to the bucket trap, we finished the entire bottom-sanding job-many hours later-with no reduction in flow, and the mess was entirely contained in a single bucket.

The Bottom line

The total tally for the DIY dustless sanding bucket rang in just under $50 and took about 10 to 15 minutes to make. Testers have found that compared to using a shop vac alone, it made sanding easier (no vac to lug around) and it was effective, plus it makes cleanup and disposal a breeze.

A commercial version, the Oneida Air Systems Dust Deputy (www.oneida-air.com), is available for about $100 for the full kit (including hose and bucket). In our opinion, its better suited for the serious home woodshop than the boat yard. While it does work well, the extra complexity and expense do not seem justified at the lower airflow rates required for sander-dust collection, in our opinion.

Again, this was originally posted by Thinwater!
 
Apr 5, 2009
3,081
Catalina '88 C30 tr/bs Oak Harbor, WA
That is where a "sanding disk" on an orbital sander comes into play. Not just any disk. I saw this "Screen" on a youtube video of a guy in Europe, Sweden I think, sanding his fiberglass project with a sanding screen. They were lasting him much longer then the sanding disks do on my sander.

Here is the product. Mirka 9A-241-080 6-Inch 80 Grit Mesh Abrasive Dust Free Sanding Discs, Box of 50 Discs They are available from Amazon.
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I plan on giving them a try on my next project. They may be helpful to you.
And you know that these must be good given that they are highly recommended by a guy who is know for the phrase "Oh, Glorious sanding"!
I have used a lot of sanding screens in construction for sanding T&G wood floors with a floor polisher but had not seen them for the 5" & 6" orbital sanders. They should also make the dust evac system work much better because they will let the air flow horizontally through the disk. I plan to build a pre-filter for my shop vac before the next bottom job.
 
Sep 24, 2018
3,276
Catalina 30 MKIII Chicago
See if you can rent a Mirka sander and vacuum from your yard since you're doing so many boats. I attached a 25' discharge hose to the intake of my vacuum so the dust coming out of it is further away from me. Also plugged it into one of those little outlets that has a wireless controller since I already had one

When I bought a sander I went for something by a reputable brand and that was lightweight. I've now had my DeWalt for three years and have been quite happy with it. No issues despite the fact it creates a small fiberglass cloud every time it starts up. If I were to get another one I'd look at the HEPA filter one that @dlochner has. What model was it again?
 
Jan 11, 2014
12,727
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
See if you can rent a Mirka sander and vacuum from your yard since you're doing so many boats. I attached a 25' discharge hose to the intake of my vacuum so the dust coming out of it is further away from me. Also plugged it into one of those little outlets that has a wireless controller since I already had one

When I bought a sander I went for something by a reputable brand and that was lightweight. I've now had my DeWalt for three years and have been quite happy with it. No issues despite the fact it creates a small fiberglass cloud every time it starts up. If I were to get another one I'd look at the HEPA filter one that @dlochner has. What model was it again?
The sander I have is an old variable speed Dewalt that is no longer a variable speed. I use the Dust Deputy connected to a shop vac with a filter bag and a HEPA filter in the shop vac.

The system is very effective, there is a little dust when I start the sander but other wise virtually no dust. My finger tips turn a little blue, otherwise you would not know I was sanding the bottom.
 

DougM

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Jul 24, 2005
2,242
Beneteau 323 Manistee, MI
I have a Dust Deputy. I never thought of using it for bottom sanding. Short of having a generator to run the sander and the shop vac, with no power available in the yard within 100 feet, and the noise of the shop vac/generator combination, not a bad idea.
I remember and appreciate being on a tight budget, but I have reached the point chronologically, where the most effort I care to expend is writing a check for a task like that. My sons are in their forties and live in opposite ends of the country, so asking them to help anymore is not a reasonable expectation.
It also helps that I sail in fresh water, and use VC17. The stuff doesn’t build up which minimizes the prep work.
 

RoyS

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Jun 3, 2012
1,742
Hunter 33 Steamboat Wharf, Hull, MA
Try using a foam roller when painting your bottom. I can paint my 33' boat with one gallon. I paint the entire hull about every four years and just touch up bare spots in between.