Best 30-32 ft performance cruiser - REPOST

[Jackdaw]

They are not opinions. They are exactly fact based. I have sailed the thing every week (with weather) for over 2 years. I've also sailed on many other boats. Everything I have said about the silly thing is based on facts IE: wind speed, correlating water speed, other boats on the water, etc. You put PHRF as "fact based" instead of the reality of sailing. These are not boasts, they are gloats as another pointed out. I found it, after it was said I couldn't.



I never said that. You read it in. I said I found the one I was looking for. 'Best 30-32 ft performance cruiser' was the header to obtain opinions for such a purchase, so that I could narrow the field when combined with my own experience. God forbid I look for advise on a sailing board.



I should not have. Because nobody understands why. Except one guy earlier.



I said "light air performance". I know what fast is, and the whole hull speed analysis. The boat is faster than most vs wind speed. That is a (repeated) clarification, not a boast. Just clarifying the clarification.

Well, you posted this.

Most people that read your post took that as a claim that the Bristol 29.9 was indeed the best 30-32 ft performance cruiser. If that is not what you meant, you should not have written that.

Several people rightly bright up the issue of PHRF number for the boat being slow for a 30 footer. Even if you do not race, this number does not lie. The boat is slow for its size. Maybe as slow as the standard rig version, but is IS slow. End of story.

Its like if your golf handicap was 10, and your buddy's was 3. Cry all you want, but there is no doubt he is a better golfer. The handicap might allow you to win on any given day, but just like PHRF it does not change the nature of your game (or of the boat).

Systems like PHRF exist to show a boat's performance potential. Comments like 'I cream them' do not. Most people understand this. You and 'one guy' on the whole internet disagree, gee, I would who is actually right?

 

[noanker]

my point was that we bought the boats we own because they were in our opinions "the best performance cruiser" to suit our individual needs. had you said for your needs it would have been fine. just a little semantics from this floating curmudgeon......you crab

 

[Skipper]

Well, you posted this.

Most people that read your post took that as a claim that the Bristol 29.9 was indeed the best 30-32 ft performance cruiser. If that is not what you meant, you should not have written that.

Several people rightly bright up the issue of PHRF number for the boat being slow for a 30 footer. Even if you do not race, this number does not lie. The boat is slow for its size. Maybe as slow as the standard rig version, but is IS slow. End of story.

Its like if your golf handicap was 10, and your buddy's was 3. Cry all you want, but there is no doubt he is a better golfer. The handicap might allow you to win on any given day, but just like PHRF it does not change the nature of your game (or of the boat).

Systems like PHRF exist to show a boat's performance potential. Comments like 'I cream them' do not. Most people understand this. You and 'one guy' on the whole internet disagree, gee, I would who is actually right?

IN YOUR OWN POST OF MY QUOTE, IT CLEARLY SAYS " looking for a boat that would be "exceptional in 5-10 knot wind speed but designed and built to go offshore"

What part of this and the 60 times I've repeated it do you not understand??????

Based on my many descriptions of sailing past other boats, then cat 30's (etc), ericsons, benes, hunters, S2's, other Bristols, Cals, etc are all "slow" too.

Forget PHRF. PHRF DOES NOT DEFINE SPECIFICALLY PERFORMANCE (SPEED, HELLO, SPEED, GIVEN WIND SPEED) IN LIGHT WIND, WHICH IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.

If I raced, which I don't, and the race course was favorable to mhy pointing ability, I would do very well against other 30ish boats in the cruiser class. That's what I wanted. Thats not slow. Maybe against a racer, but then, OMG, I'm not racing. End of story.

And yes, only one guy was smart enough to actually read the specifications, and not assuuuume that I was boasting or calling yacht clubs and their ratings wholly bogus.

 

[Skipper]

my point was that we bought the boats we own because they were in our opinions "the best performance cruiser" to suit our individual needs. had you said for your needs it would have been fine. just a little semantics from this floating curmudgeon......you crab

I said it clearly. You and others pounced on it, because you read it wrong. Or didn't read it at all.

There was nothing derogatory about the original post. Read it again, calmly, and pretend I'm your friend in a casual discussion about having found the right boat. Yes, I added some gloating, but so what. It was innocent. I'm a sailor, not a moss-bottomed computer clicker mashing down the setee cushion. I'm passionate about the hobby, and wanted to share. I promise not to any more.

And by the way, dude, you called me a blowhard (don't deny). If you resort to this, you're going to get a response.

 

[Sumner]

Since everyone is getting so picky about wording and such why do you include your boat in the "Best 30-32 ft performance cruiser" group when it is under 30 feet ?

Sum

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[Skipper]

Most people that read your post took that as a claim that the Bristol 29.9 was indeed the best 30-32 ft performance cruiser. If that is not what you meant, you should not have written that.

I did. In response to one of your previous rants, when i realized that you were taking anything you could to attack me.

I clearly responded, "'Best 30-32 ft performance cruiser' was the header to obtain opinions for such a purchase, so that I could narrow the field when combined with my own experience."

IE: what is the reader's opinion re boats they have sailed in the category. There will be many opinions. That's information. There is no best. To eliminate outrageous narrow-minded offshoots, I should have said 'Best 30-32 ft performance cruiser' that fits the clear specifications that I've outlined. The many opinions then to be parsed by myself, to determine which one is the best for ME. Me thinks many people ask for similar opinions, but somehow I attract the know-it-alls......and crabs.

 

[Skipper]

Since everyone is getting so picky about wording and such why do you include your boat in the "Best 30-32 ft performance cruiser" group when it is under 30 feet ?

Sum

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Oops.

The header was a copy from the original post from a couple years ago, before I bought the boat.

 

[noanker]

relax skipper.....we are not mean on here it is all just friendly banter. we all love our boats and it is perfectly fine for you to love yours, and...just fyi.....I didn't actually mean to call you a blow hard. I said skippers in a generic way...not meaning you in particular. after I posted it it dawned on me how you were gonna take it, sorry dude. you are ok I guess. for a crab.....lol

 

[Joe]

Since everyone is getting so picky about wording and such why do you include your boat in the "Best 30-32 ft performance cruiser" group when it is under 30 feet ?

Sum

LOL ... The deal is Skipper.... don't ever say BEST anything, unless you have a skin thick enough to weather a little criticism.

 

[Skipper]

LOL ... The deal is Skipper.... don't ever say BEST anything, unless you have a skin thick enough to weather a little criticism.

Yup. Poor choice of words. I know it meant looking for opinions regarding the readers' versions of "best" regarding the requirements, information from which was to be analyzed during the decision process, which was over 2 years ago. IE: the original header from 2 years ago was a question, not a statement. The old header was then copied and posted as an update, and clearly marked "Repost".

Unfortunately, the follow-up post was read as "My idiodic little 30-year-old boat that I found is the best ever performance cruiser in the 30 foot range". BTW that's my quote of interpretation of the perception, not an actual quote. It's probably important that I clarify that.

I hope that it's true that this was all just miss-read, and that people who genuinely want to ask questions, and then subsequently submit the outcome, will not be berated and raked over tunnel-vision numbers unrelated to the original question.