Bastardized catalina 22

piedpiperIII · May 19, 2015

IMO that mast is too small to be efficient, small mast small sails.

Alan Gomes · May 19, 2015

islanderrage said:
Ok so i have been out of sailing for +10 years and i was looking to get back into it with a little Catalina 22.

so I happen to find a catalina 22 MKi i suspect still waiting on the Hull number from the owner and for the most part the hull and keel look to be in good condition, i checked for delamination and rot but nothing stood out other then maybe needing a new coat of paint. The interior and cockpit looks good but are missing cushions.

Everything looked find until i noticed the mast... the owner was working on a-frame to help lift the mast. i don't know what happen to the original mast but the owner now has replaced everything with a hobie 18 mast step, mast, shroud, boom, rigging lines etc.

my initial concern was can this rigging work? we are suppose to take the boat out for a sail this weekend so i guess that will answer that BUT WHAT are my options when it comes to sails....

i was thinking i might be underpowered with the hobie mast and be limited to only hobie sails?

The current sails 'look' okish like i said this weekend we will fly them and see what is what but am a little hesitance because it seems really out of place?

This also raises the question about what other "swell" mods this owner may have seen fit to make on the boat.

Barnacle_Bob · May 19, 2015

I'm no expert, but will you have problems finding additional sails / replacement sails given the smaller mast? I would think that the rigging specs / geometry would be messy and could present problems when outfitting new sails.

EditorC22NSA · May 19, 2015

If it were me, I would walk away and not give the seller a second more of my time. There are plenty of good Catalina 22s always available on the market.

CloudDiver · May 19, 2015

I noticed on Sailboatdata.com the Hobie 18 carries more sail sq feet than the C-22. Also, the Hobie 18 looks like it uses a bigger main with a more roach, smaller Jib vs the C-22 carries more headsail.

I dunno, you think the guy is crazy or genius?

islanderrage said:
I hear you only issue is in the cayman islands boats rarely come up for sale and when they do they are severely overpriced...

piedpiperIII · May 19, 2015

Does he have a title for the boat? Match those numbers,

centerline · May 19, 2015

islanderrage said:
the owner now has replaced everything with a hobie 18 mast step, mast, shroud, boom, rigging lines etc.

my initial concern was can this rigging work? we are suppose to take the boat out for a sail this weekend so i guess that will answer that BUT WHAT are my options when it comes to sails....

i was thinking i might be underpowered with the hobie mast and be limited to only hobie sails?

The current sails 'look' okish like i said this weekend we will fly them and see what is what but am a little hesitance because it seems really out of place?

The hobie mast and boom is a an "upggade" that some people fit to monohull boats up to about 25ft... for 3 different reasons..
1.... when there is a failure of the original rigging plan, and the exact replacment isnt available, and if a hobie rig is, it doesnt take much to fit it to the boat...

2... more sail area..

3.... most of the hobie 18's had rotating masts, which then becomes part of the airfoil, rather than just a cumbersome stick holding the boom and halyards...

Other boats have actually adopted the rotating mast and offer it as an option with their new boats...

I wouldnt discount the boat because it has been refitted, because in some respects it is an upgrade. but absolutely do inspect the quality of the workmanship of the refit..

A good craftsman may make many changes that have little use or value other than to show off his good work in his nice boat, but a poor craftsman trying to make the best upgrade can ruin a boat very quickly beyond any dependable or safe use...

And Hobie sails are just as available as c22 sails are.. or sails for any other boat.
Because this is America, and with money you can have anything you heart desires

Alan Gomes · May 19, 2015

CloudDiver said:
I noticed on Sailboatdata.com the Hobie 18 carries more sail sq feet than the C-22. Also, the Hobie 18 looks like it uses a bigger main with a more roach, smaller Jib vs the C-22 carries more headsail.

I dunno, you think the guy is crazy or genius?

Arbitrarily screwing around with the sail plan is probably not such a great idea. The designer drew the boat to balance with a certain sail configuration and changing it willy nilly is going to be a crap shoot. One may get lucky and it will sail OK, but I wouldn't count on it. From what I know of the C22, they are well balanced boats. Personally, I'd leave well enough alone.

Of course, mention was made of the difficulty of finding a C22 in this particular location, so the pickings may be slim. But all things being equal, I'd pass on this one.

piedpiperIII · May 20, 2015

wow was I off I was thinking the mast would be too short.

allen-deckard · May 20, 2015

Just curious but anyone think that one possibility might be that the owner was lowering the mast dropped it and it bent badly and since masts are not that easy to come by this was a retro fit.

IF the mast were the same length not saying it is then what would it really matter. In essence it literally is a stick to hang your sails on.

watercolors II · May 20, 2015

The Catalina 22 gets its power from the headsail, the mainsail adds about 10 percent and is for balance, so with an extra large main and a very small headsail you mess up the balance as well as not having much power.

The Hobie rigging was built for a 400 to 500 boat with little water surface in the hulls, on a boat up to 5 times heavier and 10 times more hull resistance I cannot see how it could possibly work without failure very soon.

Jackdaw · May 20, 2015

Broke with boats · May 20, 2015

Has he repositioned the side stays? The chainplates on a hobie are farther aft. C22's use a backstay because the chainplates are farther forward, hobie's do not.

Leeward Rail · May 20, 2015

I'm with "Centerline"..

As for the headsail, mainsail proportions...
I can't see why the hobie mast would radically change the mainsail vs headsail proportion, as long as the mast was in the same position as the original mast.

I can't see him moving chainplates/stays etc.
As long as the mast step wasn't moved, you would be increasing the area of BOTH triangles proportionally.
Also... since masts are just extrusions, he may have cut the hobie mast down in height to match the original C22 mast height.

Assuming the hobie mast is it's original taller height, my concerns would be:
- strength. The mast itself it probably a stronger extrusion, but the angles of the stays are different with the C22 hull.
-possibly overpowering the C22 in stronger winds, and more weight aloft.
-quality of the "upgrade" (did he get sails custom made ?, stay attachment etc etc)

As for sails... any competent sail loft can make custom sails for any boat if you give them measurements.

Personally, I'd take it out sailing and see.
Done well, it could be an upgrade
As allen-deckard says.. it's just a aluminum stick.. It's all other factors that make it work well or not.

CloudDiver · May 20, 2015

Jackdaw said:

Maybe its just my work computer but I can't see what you posted here?

Bastardized catalina 22

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