Craig, Please go to Bow Roller thread and answer
my question there about performance in grass. r.w.landau
my question there about performance in grass. r.w.landau
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Excuse me Craig ?
Before you start down that path you should do a little research. I have been on this site under the same name a hell of a lot longer than you have. I don't need to register, what would that prove? Anyone can register and put anything down and obtain "illegitimate legitimacy" I could say I own a hinckley and sailed to Argentina or a Pearson triton and down to Belize and no one would have any proof. I don't know who the other poster is but its obvious he/she is becoming as tired of you as some of us Don't be an a** because you are already sounding like a fool. If you note I never said you had a bad anchor
Before you start down that path you should do a little research. I have been on this site under the same name a hell of a lot longer than you have. I don't need to register, what would that prove? Anyone can register and put anything down and obtain "illegitimate legitimacy" I could say I own a hinckley and sailed to Argentina or a Pearson triton and down to Belize and no one would have any proof. I don't know who the other poster is but its obvious he/she is becoming as tired of you as some of us Don't be an a** because you are already sounding like a fool. If you note I never said you had a bad anchor
Boys! Boys! You're both right!
It's a laxative and a laundry detergent! I thought I would get some information, or at least opinions, about anchors on this thread. We know that there is a lot of strong opinion about which anchor we like best, although I have no idea what a Rocna, Spade, or a Manson Supreme is. I use a Bruce mostly. I've had good luck with it. On bigger boats I like a CQR or imitation CQR. I use old fashioned long line (like pictures of anchors in kids books) anchors from 10 to 35 pounds for stern anchors or in rocky bottoms. I also keep a folding 20 pound Northill for a spare or main anchor in weedy spots. does anyone else have opinions on ANCHORS?
It's a laxative and a laundry detergent! I thought I would get some information, or at least opinions, about anchors on this thread. We know that there is a lot of strong opinion about which anchor we like best, although I have no idea what a Rocna, Spade, or a Manson Supreme is. I use a Bruce mostly. I've had good luck with it. On bigger boats I like a CQR or imitation CQR. I use old fashioned long line (like pictures of anchors in kids books) anchors from 10 to 35 pounds for stern anchors or in rocky bottoms. I also keep a folding 20 pound Northill for a spare or main anchor in weedy spots. does anyone else have opinions on ANCHORS?
What question landau?
Weed/grass is too variable and unpredictable to, well, predict exactly what will happen - but there is some feedback out there concerning Rocna in weed. The anchor is designed to remain embedded while veering. If you don't believe it and continue to think that the Rocna is a Delta "with semi circular rim", there is little I can do to change your mind.
Weed/grass is too variable and unpredictable to, well, predict exactly what will happen - but there is some feedback out there concerning Rocna in weed. The anchor is designed to remain embedded while veering. If you don't believe it and continue to think that the Rocna is a Delta "with semi circular rim", there is little I can do to change your mind.
Craig
Craig keep up the good work with all this great info and advice on anchoring and of course thanks to so many other guys with great info. Nick
Craig keep up the good work with all this great info and advice on anchoring and of course thanks to so many other guys with great info. Nick
Do an archive search..
Quote: "One think I do appreciate about the Spade anchor is that the designer hasn't polluted this bulletin board with his presence." Do an archive search on this or many other boards from SSCA, Cruisers Forums, Lats & Atts to Sail Net for Alain Poiraud and you'll see how different he and Craig really are. When Alain actually owned Spade he was offensive and insulting. As a matter of fact when I mentioned on a forum, a few years ago, that my Spade A-80 was harder to set than my CQR I was publicly lambasted and told I had no clue how to anchor by Alain! The long and short of it was that after publicly denying there was a setting issue with the aluminum anchors, in hard bottom types, and insulting me publicly, he wound up sending me an S-80 (Steel replacement at no charge) and then had the balls to ask me to keep quiet about the poor performance of the A-80. He pissed me off so much, and even though the S-80 is a fine anchor, I purchased a Manson Supreme which is an even better anchor. Alain no longer owns Spade so you won't be hearing much from him any more. I still keep the S-80 on board as back up though because despite Alain it is a good anchor, no Rocna or Manson, but a good anchor..
Quote: "One think I do appreciate about the Spade anchor is that the designer hasn't polluted this bulletin board with his presence." Do an archive search on this or many other boards from SSCA, Cruisers Forums, Lats & Atts to Sail Net for Alain Poiraud and you'll see how different he and Craig really are. When Alain actually owned Spade he was offensive and insulting. As a matter of fact when I mentioned on a forum, a few years ago, that my Spade A-80 was harder to set than my CQR I was publicly lambasted and told I had no clue how to anchor by Alain! The long and short of it was that after publicly denying there was a setting issue with the aluminum anchors, in hard bottom types, and insulting me publicly, he wound up sending me an S-80 (Steel replacement at no charge) and then had the balls to ask me to keep quiet about the poor performance of the A-80. He pissed me off so much, and even though the S-80 is a fine anchor, I purchased a Manson Supreme which is an even better anchor. Alain no longer owns Spade so you won't be hearing much from him any more. I still keep the S-80 on board as back up though because despite Alain it is a good anchor, no Rocna or Manson, but a good anchor..
Some facts and research
The only time I saw Alain on "SailboatOwners.com" was a few years back and his posts look very helpful and generic answers to direct anchoring questions. http://archives.sailboatowners.com/pviewarch.htm?fno=20&sku=2005284183229.22&id=360152&ptl=#2005290133437.29 As you can see a very helpful response about anchoring angles and penetration. In fact I don't see a single link to his product or any tests results, and especially no test results that were modified from what was published. I have been on this particular Bulletin Board for years and other than a few times I don't recall him being on here. Let alone in a pushing his wares like Craig is doing. There are Bulletin Board rules against that Now if you are referring to the discussions on "Other" sailing websites like SSCA, Cruisers Forums and cs-bb.com, well good for those sites. Don't expect me to do an "Archive" search on other Sailing Bulletin boards. I am referring to this one and don't want to read those sites. I have spent enough time at those site to know there is more crap being thrown around there then with monkeys in a cage You have seen what those sites have become - We DON'T NEED THIS SITE TO BECOME LIKE THOSE SITES. I hope to HELL this site never becomes like those other horrendous, insulting, ego driven inadequate postings like on those sites. THAT is EXACTLY why we shouldn't allow vendors to hawk their wares in our bulletin board and let this site slide into the decay those sites have become You'd be a fool to suggest otherwise. We don't need people like this hawking their wares and polluting this site like they have polluted those others. Helpful discussions from knowledge based experts be it a Vendor or others in the field (Head Mistress comes to mind) is always welcome. But Craigs FIRST post had a direct link to his website and THEN he had the gall to post his MODIFIED chart of the Sail Magazine tests. In FACT ever single damn thread that Craig has posted on this Sailboatowners.com has a direct link to his website !!!! (Go Look !!!) Even when there is a simple question that could be answered instead of just answering it, Craig points people to his website selling his anchors instead and tell people to "go read it here" We don't need that crap on here, than you very much. We'll leave that up to the hell-hole sailing websites like cs-bb.com. If that's what people want they can go there
The only time I saw Alain on "SailboatOwners.com" was a few years back and his posts look very helpful and generic answers to direct anchoring questions. http://archives.sailboatowners.com/pviewarch.htm?fno=20&sku=2005284183229.22&id=360152&ptl=#2005290133437.29 As you can see a very helpful response about anchoring angles and penetration. In fact I don't see a single link to his product or any tests results, and especially no test results that were modified from what was published. I have been on this particular Bulletin Board for years and other than a few times I don't recall him being on here. Let alone in a pushing his wares like Craig is doing. There are Bulletin Board rules against that Now if you are referring to the discussions on "Other" sailing websites like SSCA, Cruisers Forums and cs-bb.com, well good for those sites. Don't expect me to do an "Archive" search on other Sailing Bulletin boards. I am referring to this one and don't want to read those sites. I have spent enough time at those site to know there is more crap being thrown around there then with monkeys in a cage You have seen what those sites have become - We DON'T NEED THIS SITE TO BECOME LIKE THOSE SITES. I hope to HELL this site never becomes like those other horrendous, insulting, ego driven inadequate postings like on those sites. THAT is EXACTLY why we shouldn't allow vendors to hawk their wares in our bulletin board and let this site slide into the decay those sites have become You'd be a fool to suggest otherwise. We don't need people like this hawking their wares and polluting this site like they have polluted those others. Helpful discussions from knowledge based experts be it a Vendor or others in the field (Head Mistress comes to mind) is always welcome. But Craigs FIRST post had a direct link to his website and THEN he had the gall to post his MODIFIED chart of the Sail Magazine tests. In FACT ever single damn thread that Craig has posted on this Sailboatowners.com has a direct link to his website !!!! (Go Look !!!) Even when there is a simple question that could be answered instead of just answering it, Craig points people to his website selling his anchors instead and tell people to "go read it here" We don't need that crap on here, than you very much. We'll leave that up to the hell-hole sailing websites like cs-bb.com. If that's what people want they can go there
OK Facts..
Craig's first post which was response #29 hawks no gear and simply states the the OP does not have a genuine CQR, that copies are not as good as the real McCoy and the anchor is to small for his vessel then sends Ross a link to a very in-depth article on catenary, chain types etc.. Yes the article is hosted on the Rocna site but also very, very informative! In fact it only mentions the Rocna anchor is one small sentence way at the bottom in regards to holding power in relation to chain strength. This article is three pages long and the Rocna anchor is mentioned once other than the Rocna logo on the graphs. Again this article regardless of where it is hosted is good information! Craig's second post # 39 was in response to Ross's statement "I suspect that anchors are getting a little like performance boats. Every new inovation is an improvement and we can scrap the old." where Craig simply replied "I wish" with a smiley face denoting his attempt at humor. There were NO links in this post and no hawking of the Rocna. Craig's third post #40 was in direct response to R.W. Landau where he answered the question of weigh/performance with the Rocna weight sorted chart based the anchor weight with data from the Sail magazine test. Craig said "This chart measures the ratio of size / performance. Since the genuine Bruce is no longer made, the type is represented by the Lewmar claw copy." No where in this post does he state that the chart came directly from Sail Magazine and seeing as he was answering a direct question I see no problem with a chart that shows the performance of many anchors not just the Rocna sorted by weight with ACTUAL DATA from the Sail Mag test. Craig's fourth post #45 was again in response to a question posed by R.W. Landau who said "Craig, send me one, if I like it I will talk it up" and "I am skeptical of new (unproven to me) ideas. Truthfully, the Rocna looks hokie to me. Storage still looks like the problem.." Where Craig responded with a link to his site for fittment and sizing. Craig also suggested looking up independent tests and user feed back of the anchor. This was the most hawking in the thread but when someone asks you to send them one for free and calls your product hokie well.... Craig's fifth post #63 was in response to posts insinuating that the Manson Supreme is basically the same for less money where he gives a link to an article by Rocna about the differences between the two anchors and says "you get what you pay for". I find no problem with Craig defending his product in this way when the Manson Supreme is clearly NOT the same even if it looks similar. Craig's sixth post was #68 in response to a direct statement by Malcom about sizing where he gives a link to Steve Dashew's site an independent sailor and NOT the Rocna site. Craig's seventh post basically guys stop arguing with Old Salt your not moving the thread in a positive direction! He then added a link in response to John of an independent article originally published in Passage Maker Magazine about Steve Dashew's new boat. Craig's eight post #79 was in response to a "mysterious" poster, who we all have an idea who it was, where Craig was attacked and more bad and incorrect information was given about the Rocna. Craig responded politely without insult with two links one to John Harries site (Morgans Cloud" and one to an article on kellets. He included two links one to the Harries site and one to a very well written and in-depth article on kellets hosted by Rocna. Again the article on kellets is very, very good reading and info. I could go on & on but it does not seem to matter. Again just the facts and I for one don't find Craig's posts offensive or overly "hawking" but more in the way of responses and helpful in many ways!
Craig's first post which was response #29 hawks no gear and simply states the the OP does not have a genuine CQR, that copies are not as good as the real McCoy and the anchor is to small for his vessel then sends Ross a link to a very in-depth article on catenary, chain types etc.. Yes the article is hosted on the Rocna site but also very, very informative! In fact it only mentions the Rocna anchor is one small sentence way at the bottom in regards to holding power in relation to chain strength. This article is three pages long and the Rocna anchor is mentioned once other than the Rocna logo on the graphs. Again this article regardless of where it is hosted is good information! Craig's second post # 39 was in response to Ross's statement "I suspect that anchors are getting a little like performance boats. Every new inovation is an improvement and we can scrap the old." where Craig simply replied "I wish" with a smiley face denoting his attempt at humor. There were NO links in this post and no hawking of the Rocna. Craig's third post #40 was in direct response to R.W. Landau where he answered the question of weigh/performance with the Rocna weight sorted chart based the anchor weight with data from the Sail magazine test. Craig said "This chart measures the ratio of size / performance. Since the genuine Bruce is no longer made, the type is represented by the Lewmar claw copy." No where in this post does he state that the chart came directly from Sail Magazine and seeing as he was answering a direct question I see no problem with a chart that shows the performance of many anchors not just the Rocna sorted by weight with ACTUAL DATA from the Sail Mag test. Craig's fourth post #45 was again in response to a question posed by R.W. Landau who said "Craig, send me one, if I like it I will talk it up" and "I am skeptical of new (unproven to me) ideas. Truthfully, the Rocna looks hokie to me. Storage still looks like the problem.." Where Craig responded with a link to his site for fittment and sizing. Craig also suggested looking up independent tests and user feed back of the anchor. This was the most hawking in the thread but when someone asks you to send them one for free and calls your product hokie well.... Craig's fifth post #63 was in response to posts insinuating that the Manson Supreme is basically the same for less money where he gives a link to an article by Rocna about the differences between the two anchors and says "you get what you pay for". I find no problem with Craig defending his product in this way when the Manson Supreme is clearly NOT the same even if it looks similar. Craig's sixth post was #68 in response to a direct statement by Malcom about sizing where he gives a link to Steve Dashew's site an independent sailor and NOT the Rocna site. Craig's seventh post basically guys stop arguing with Old Salt your not moving the thread in a positive direction! He then added a link in response to John of an independent article originally published in Passage Maker Magazine about Steve Dashew's new boat. Craig's eight post #79 was in response to a "mysterious" poster, who we all have an idea who it was, where Craig was attacked and more bad and incorrect information was given about the Rocna. Craig responded politely without insult with two links one to John Harries site (Morgans Cloud" and one to an article on kellets. He included two links one to the Harries site and one to a very well written and in-depth article on kellets hosted by Rocna. Again the article on kellets is very, very good reading and info. I could go on & on but it does not seem to matter. Again just the facts and I for one don't find Craig's posts offensive or overly "hawking" but more in the way of responses and helpful in many ways!
I think that much information has been presented
here and people ,being what they are , will use it or not as they choose. I have no doubt that the Rocna anchor is a good system for short scope anchoring. I further believe that if a plow type anchor is given enough scope it will bury well. The CQR has a long and well deserved history in places where there is adequate room to anchor with a long scope. Whether or not it is adequate for a 5:1 scope seems to be in doubt. The last time I lay to an anchor my nearest neighbor was a long rifle shot away.
here and people ,being what they are , will use it or not as they choose. I have no doubt that the Rocna anchor is a good system for short scope anchoring. I further believe that if a plow type anchor is given enough scope it will bury well. The CQR has a long and well deserved history in places where there is adequate room to anchor with a long scope. Whether or not it is adequate for a 5:1 scope seems to be in doubt. The last time I lay to an anchor my nearest neighbor was a long rifle shot away.
His first post in the achive
hHad a direct link right to his anchor Website (and he hasn't stopped since!) http://archives.sailboatowners.com/pviewarch.htm?fno=400&sku=2007026152150.79&id=447707&ptl=#2007032164517.13 Instead of just answering the question about how anchors reset -- Does he infer his is the only anchor that can reset when an anchor veers due to tide shifts? His very next post he does it again. Even MORE BLATENTLY. Here someone asks about a simple riding sail and does he just answer the question NOOOOOOOooooooo !
http://archives.sailboatowners.com/pviewarch.htm?fno=400&sku=2007169080357.5&id=479676&ptl=#2007169081053.7 He posts a direct link -->to his anchor<--- Which is not what the person was asking *o THEN on he does it AGAIN when someone asks the simple question about the difference between a Danforth & a Fortress anchor. http://archives.sailboatowners.com/pviewarch.htm?fno=400&sku=2007176044952.57&id=482001&ptl=#2007178030753.13 Instead of answering the question - he sends then to a link of (You guessed it) His anchor Website Then someone asks an anchor chain question and WHAT DO YOU KNOW. http://archives.sailboatowners.com/pviewarch.htm?fno=400&sku=2007205041940.35&id=487835&ptl=#2007207092739.83 (Surprise, Suprise) There he is again posting a direct link to his website. Thats Bullsh*t and you know it. *box ALSO it makes no matter whether that any of these particular "pages" from his website only has a small referce to his anchor, its propaganda & one click away from his product. 9 out of 10 of his posts have the links & are disguises for answering questions that really are to force people to view his website and his product. Its latent but its real. Don't be naive Is this "Sailboatowners.com" or is this "Rocno.com" website? I am confused because I've seen so many links to his website that one wouldn't know Mainsail I know you like his anchors but STOP being an appologist for him. Anyway you spin it he shouldn't be linking his product. Then EVERYONE will be doing that. Its BS & he needs to stop now
hHad a direct link right to his anchor Website (and he hasn't stopped since!) http://archives.sailboatowners.com/pviewarch.htm?fno=400&sku=2007026152150.79&id=447707&ptl=#2007032164517.13 Instead of just answering the question about how anchors reset -- Does he infer his is the only anchor that can reset when an anchor veers due to tide shifts? His very next post he does it again. Even MORE BLATENTLY. Here someone asks about a simple riding sail and does he just answer the question NOOOOOOOooooooo !
http://archives.sailboatowners.com/pviewarch.htm?fno=400&sku=2007169080357.5&id=479676&ptl=#2007169081053.7 He posts a direct link -->to his anchor<--- Which is not what the person was asking *o THEN on he does it AGAIN when someone asks the simple question about the difference between a Danforth & a Fortress anchor. http://archives.sailboatowners.com/pviewarch.htm?fno=400&sku=2007176044952.57&id=482001&ptl=#2007178030753.13 Instead of answering the question - he sends then to a link of (You guessed it) His anchor Website Then someone asks an anchor chain question and WHAT DO YOU KNOW. http://archives.sailboatowners.com/pviewarch.htm?fno=400&sku=2007205041940.35&id=487835&ptl=#2007207092739.83 (Surprise, Suprise) There he is again posting a direct link to his website. Thats Bullsh*t and you know it. *box ALSO it makes no matter whether that any of these particular "pages" from his website only has a small referce to his anchor, its propaganda & one click away from his product. 9 out of 10 of his posts have the links & are disguises for answering questions that really are to force people to view his website and his product. Its latent but its real. Don't be naive Is this "Sailboatowners.com" or is this "Rocno.com" website? I am confused because I've seen so many links to his website that one wouldn't know Mainsail I know you like his anchors but STOP being an appologist for him. Anyway you spin it he shouldn't be linking his product. Then EVERYONE will be doing that. Its BS & he needs to stop now
Old Salt, give us some credit
This is our first boat (H33) and our first year of cruising and anchoring out. We've spent every weekend and 3 different weeks out anchored in Georgian Bay. Although it's not the same as coastal cruising, the Great Lakes are essentially a small ocean. I spent many hours researching anchors and anchoring technique in the spring prior to launch as I needed to buy an anchor and frankly had NO clue how to anchor. I ended up buying a Rocna anchor not because of Craig's links to his site, but from reading "almost" every forum thread in several forums on anchors and "almost" every web link on anchors and anchor techniques I could find. I would like to think I made an intelligent descision, not because I was brainwashed by all these links to Craig's site but because I could decifer between promotional advertising and information. The info on Craig's site is not the finite in anchoring. I read his info along with the info from ASA and Chapman's, along with the unbiased research done by an individual, Mainesail, who I could see has done a lot of personal research into something he is passionate about, anchors and many others. Craig, thank you for the links to info on your site that I can intelligently look at along with so much other info availble here and elsewhere to have made a desiscion on purchasing a Rocna anchor. We have spent a summers cruising in a small Sea and have slept comfortably knowing this anchor will hold. I will add, that in all the anchorages I have been in so far, I have not seen another boat drag its anchor. The most popular around here is the Bruce and CQR which were close in pricing. I went with the Rocna on the reccomendations on several individuals on this and other sites. My name is Scott and I bought a Rocna Anchor. ;D I also have Seldon in-mast furler and am proud of it. and I make my coffee with a Melita drip cone *pop
This is our first boat (H33) and our first year of cruising and anchoring out. We've spent every weekend and 3 different weeks out anchored in Georgian Bay. Although it's not the same as coastal cruising, the Great Lakes are essentially a small ocean. I spent many hours researching anchors and anchoring technique in the spring prior to launch as I needed to buy an anchor and frankly had NO clue how to anchor. I ended up buying a Rocna anchor not because of Craig's links to his site, but from reading "almost" every forum thread in several forums on anchors and "almost" every web link on anchors and anchor techniques I could find. I would like to think I made an intelligent descision, not because I was brainwashed by all these links to Craig's site but because I could decifer between promotional advertising and information. The info on Craig's site is not the finite in anchoring. I read his info along with the info from ASA and Chapman's, along with the unbiased research done by an individual, Mainesail, who I could see has done a lot of personal research into something he is passionate about, anchors and many others. Craig, thank you for the links to info on your site that I can intelligently look at along with so much other info availble here and elsewhere to have made a desiscion on purchasing a Rocna anchor. We have spent a summers cruising in a small Sea and have slept comfortably knowing this anchor will hold. I will add, that in all the anchorages I have been in so far, I have not seen another boat drag its anchor. The most popular around here is the Bruce and CQR which were close in pricing. I went with the Rocna on the reccomendations on several individuals on this and other sites. My name is Scott and I bought a Rocna Anchor. ;D I also have Seldon in-mast furler and am proud of it.
and I make my coffee with a Melita drip cone *pop
Gee
Looks like he made an effort to help people to me. So he posted his website. There is usefull content there related to the questions being asked. Not once in those posts did he come out and say "buy a Rocna to solve all your problems". Let it go Old Salt, you seem to have something personal against Craig. And exactly how did he force people to click on his link??? And at least Craig logs in with his true identity and not a guest account. Are you hiding something? Are you a competitor trying to discredit Craig? Tim R.
Looks like he made an effort to help people to me. So he posted his website. There is usefull content there related to the questions being asked. Not once in those posts did he come out and say "buy a Rocna to solve all your problems". Let it go Old Salt, you seem to have something personal against Craig. And exactly how did he force people to click on his link??? And at least Craig logs in with his true identity and not a guest account. Are you hiding something? Are you a competitor trying to discredit Craig? Tim R.
Evidently...
Quote: "Mainsail I know you like his anchors but STOP being an appologist for him. Anyway you spin it he shouldn't be linking his product. Then EVERYONE will be doing that. Its BS & he needs to stop now" Evidently Phil does not see it the way you do or he would have done something. Old Salt you & purported your alter ego are the only one's on here who have a problem with Craig. In fact you had to go and find other threads, not the one in question, to try and substantiate your point. More than just a few folks have thanked Craig for the information in the thread, and have evidently learned from it, yet you still want to sensor him??? Old Salt stop reading the posts and clicking the links if you don't want good information. I truly believe any thread on anchoring is good for the boating community regardless of who is involved even if it's Alain Poiraud or Craig! The more boaters with a clue about anchoring the better off I / we are because it means I or you are less likely to be dragged onto like I have been five times in my sailing life, twice causing expensive damage to my boat. You mistake me as an apologist for Craig when in reality I am a HUGE supporter of anchoring education regardless of where it comes from. I am also a big supporter of good anchors like the steel Spade, the Manson Supreme or the Rocna. I also do my own testing so also speak with some knowledge of what a good anchor is and what a mediocre anchor is. Here is a shameless link to one of my anchor testing home made videos click "related link" at the bottom of the thread for the video. I'm also posting a link to my Photography site so you can also lambaste me as a shameless self promoter!!! I really do feel sorry for you that you need to get so angry over good information regardless of the source as many have learned something from this thread... http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising The video bellow happens to be of a Manson Supreme in a very, very hard packed inter tidal zone filmed to show setting characteristics something 95% of boaters are clueless about having never witnessed an anchor in action.
Quote: "Mainsail I know you like his anchors but STOP being an appologist for him. Anyway you spin it he shouldn't be linking his product. Then EVERYONE will be doing that. Its BS & he needs to stop now" Evidently Phil does not see it the way you do or he would have done something. Old Salt you & purported your alter ego are the only one's on here who have a problem with Craig. In fact you had to go and find other threads, not the one in question, to try and substantiate your point. More than just a few folks have thanked Craig for the information in the thread, and have evidently learned from it, yet you still want to sensor him??? Old Salt stop reading the posts and clicking the links if you don't want good information. I truly believe any thread on anchoring is good for the boating community regardless of who is involved even if it's Alain Poiraud or Craig! The more boaters with a clue about anchoring the better off I / we are because it means I or you are less likely to be dragged onto like I have been five times in my sailing life, twice causing expensive damage to my boat. You mistake me as an apologist for Craig when in reality I am a HUGE supporter of anchoring education regardless of where it comes from. I am also a big supporter of good anchors like the steel Spade, the Manson Supreme or the Rocna. I also do my own testing so also speak with some knowledge of what a good anchor is and what a mediocre anchor is. Here is a shameless link to one of my anchor testing home made videos click "related link" at the bottom of the thread for the video. I'm also posting a link to my Photography site so you can also lambaste me as a shameless self promoter!!! I really do feel sorry for you that you need to get so angry over good information regardless of the source as many have learned something from this thread... http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising The video bellow happens to be of a Manson Supreme in a very, very hard packed inter tidal zone filmed to show setting characteristics something 95% of boaters are clueless about having never witnessed an anchor in action.
The anchor is a very good boat-saving device
In reading some of this nonsense, I get the idea that the issue is Not about anchors, which was the idea of the darn question in the first place, but rather about "PC on-line etiquette" which makes some perverted reading. MaineSail has shared some of the best information this or any other website has ever provided, from his stuffing box article to his in-depth analysis of anchors with his personal documented experience, which is more than some of the respondents to this thread would admit to actually performing themselves. Stop the malarkey, get on with it, this is about anchors, not typing on a computer. BTW, they've written BOOKS about anchoring, might be helpful for some to have read them, rather than making up some new urban myths.
In reading some of this nonsense, I get the idea that the issue is Not about anchors, which was the idea of the darn question in the first place, but rather about "PC on-line etiquette" which makes some perverted reading. MaineSail has shared some of the best information this or any other website has ever provided, from his stuffing box article to his in-depth analysis of anchors with his personal documented experience, which is more than some of the respondents to this thread would admit to actually performing themselves. Stop the malarkey, get on with it, this is about anchors, not typing on a computer. BTW, they've written BOOKS about anchoring, might be helpful for some to have read them, rather than making up some new urban myths.
I don't really want to perpetuate this thread
but I have to address the above post just because it's interesting. Perhaps, Mr. Jack, you could present some examples (there are a few, I'm not saying there aren't) of genuine (no knock offs) anchors built in the USA? I'm all for supporting local manufacturers, but you may like to reconsider the origin of most popular anchors. I haven't included copies in this list, except for the Lewmar Claw: CQR: Scotland - UK Bruce: Isle of Mann - UK Lewmar Delta: China Lewmar Claw: China Spade: Tunisia SARCA: Australia, some in New Zealand WASI Buegel: Germany XYZ: China Rocna: New Zealand A few interesting Delta variations that are just different enough to avoid being called classified as direct copies are produced in France. If you scratch them off your list you're not left with many options. The best performing USA anchor is probably the Bulwagga. Fortunately US Customs recognize the lack of need for protectionism, and there is zero duty tariffed on imported anchors...
but I have to address the above post just because it's interesting. Perhaps, Mr. Jack, you could present some examples (there are a few, I'm not saying there aren't) of genuine (no knock offs) anchors built in the USA? I'm all for supporting local manufacturers, but you may like to reconsider the origin of most popular anchors. I haven't included copies in this list, except for the Lewmar Claw: CQR: Scotland - UK Bruce: Isle of Mann - UK Lewmar Delta: China Lewmar Claw: China Spade: Tunisia SARCA: Australia, some in New Zealand WASI Buegel: Germany XYZ: China Rocna: New Zealand A few interesting Delta variations that are just different enough to avoid being called classified as direct copies are produced in France. If you scratch them off your list you're not left with many options. The best performing USA anchor is probably the Bulwagga. Fortunately US Customs recognize the lack of need for protectionism, and there is zero duty tariffed on imported anchors...
Actual Test
Hey Folks So after a huge number of posts about different types of anchors, I can post some results of a test that I did with the Suncor plow over the weekend. Don't want to start the anchor wars again. I went out in the middle of the Magothy River lat in the afternoon on Saturday evening. There was a 15-20 knot sustained breeze with gusts in the 25 knot range. White caps on the water, but no foam streaks. Wind out of the west. I dropped the hook in the middle of the river in order to expose the ground tackle to the full force of the wind. Would not normally anchor in a spot so exposed. Anchored in about 10 feet of water using a 7 to 1 scope; with all rope rode. The thing held fine, even with out using my anchoring sail. Boat fished all over the place but no dragging. Magothy has a muddy bottom typical of those found on the Bay. I found no difference in holding when compared with my 10KG Bruce. Food for thought and thanks for the posts. In between the arguing, I found some really insightful words! Kevin
Hey Folks So after a huge number of posts about different types of anchors, I can post some results of a test that I did with the Suncor plow over the weekend. Don't want to start the anchor wars again. I went out in the middle of the Magothy River lat in the afternoon on Saturday evening. There was a 15-20 knot sustained breeze with gusts in the 25 knot range. White caps on the water, but no foam streaks. Wind out of the west. I dropped the hook in the middle of the river in order to expose the ground tackle to the full force of the wind. Would not normally anchor in a spot so exposed. Anchored in about 10 feet of water using a 7 to 1 scope; with all rope rode. The thing held fine, even with out using my anchoring sail. Boat fished all over the place but no dragging. Magothy has a muddy bottom typical of those found on the Bay. I found no difference in holding when compared with my 10KG Bruce. Food for thought and thanks for the posts. In between the arguing, I found some really insightful words! Kevin
mine was built in the USA
and i did test it.*BOX it works the design is two sided the chain length was SWAG'ed and the size was a guess as well
and i did test it.*BOX it works the design is two sided the chain length was SWAG'ed and the size was a guess as well
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