Anchor chain corrosion - cause for concern?

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skunther

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Feb 16, 2021
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I’ve noticed accumulation of rust flakes around my windlass when dropping anchor, and see some flaking corrosion on many chain links. It is G4 chain, which I thought was essentially corrosion proof.
I know some rust isn’t cause for concern, but this seems to be diminishing some link diameters. Am I at the point where I should replace my chain? Is this amount of corrosion normal for G4? If not, why would this be corroding so significantly?
If I need new chain, how do I mitigate such corrosion in the future?
 

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JamesG161

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SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Feb 14, 2014
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skunther said:
If not, why would this be corroding so significantly?
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Water dripping on or regularly exposed to rain on Windlass and/or chain.

If the rest of your chain is not so exposed you can cut off bad and add new.

Jim...

PS: you can lose 125% of the link diameter and still be ok.
 
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skunther said:
I’ve noticed accumulation of rust flakes around my windlass when dropping anchor, and see some flaking corrosion on many chain links. It is G4 chain, which I thought was essentially corrosion proof.
I know some rust isn’t cause for concern, but this seems to be diminishing some link diameters. Am I at the point where I should replace my chain? Is this amount of corrosion normal for G4? If not, why would this be corroding so significantly?
If I need new chain, how do I mitigate such corrosion in the future?
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Your first photo shows come links that look a bit dicey. The second photo shows links that look like they could be re-galvanized. Hard to really know, the devil is in the details, as the saying goes... How many feet of chain do you have? If you lost say 10 feet off the worst end, would that be too much for where you anchor? Just a thought, if you could cut off the worst of it, get the rest re-galvanized, you might be able to save a fair bit of $'s....

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JamesG161 said:
you can lose 125% of the link diameter and still be ok.
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opps :facepalm:
The link diameter has a 125% over design factor. So depending of the link Size, you may lose some metal and still be ok.

Jim...
 
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JamesG161 said:
opps :facepalm:
The link diameter has a 125% over design factor. So depending of the link Size, you may lose some metal and still be ok.

Jim...
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Dang, I was going to take your argument to the bank and explain why I spent 125% of my account balance and that wouldn't be a problem. :cool: :beer:
 
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I have a vague recollection of looking into re-galvanizing my anchor chain and concluding it would be cheaper and easier to just buy new chain. I seem to recall that the galvanizers deal with large quantities of things, and it wasn't worth it to them to do my measly 125'.

Has anyone had chain regalvanized? What did it cost?

Thanks.
 
dLj

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jviss said:
Has anyone had chain regalvanized? What did it cost?

Thanks.
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Not in a long time, but there was a thread on here not overly long ago and someone had pointed to company still doing small orders here in North America (not many left due to EPA regs) and they published their cost on their web site as i recall.

I'm on my phone right now or I'd look it up and give you the link but you should be able to search for it.

dj
 
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dLj said:
Not in a long time, but there was a thread on here not overly long ago and someone had pointed to company still doing small orders here in North America (not many left due to EPA regs) and they published their cost on their web site as i recall.

I'm on my phone right now or I'd look it up and give you the link but you should be able to search for it.

dj
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The only one I could find with a quick search that does small lots and chain, etc., is in Seattle. I imagine that shipping the chain both ways, plus the $1.40 per pound they charge, wouldn't be worth if for someone in the Northeast. New 5/16" G4 is around $4.27 per pound at Defender with free shipping. 5/16" G4 is 1.1 lb. per foot.

I'm surprised I haven't found a galvanizer in New Bedford!
 
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jviss said:
New 5/16" G4 is around $4.27 per pound at Defender with free shipping. 5/16" G4 is 1.1 lb. per foot.
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Defender's "free shipping" isn't always free. Larger heavier items, like chain, will ship motor freight. You don't get the shipping details until you are ready to check out.
 
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dlochner said:
Defender's "free shipping" isn't always free. Larger heavier items, like chain, will ship motor freight. You don't get the shipping details until you are ready to check out.
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Gotcha, thanks!
 
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jviss said:
The only one I could find with a quick search that does small lots and chain, etc., is in Seattle. I imagine that shipping the chain both ways, plus the $1.40 per pound they charge, wouldn't be worth if for someone in the Northeast. New 5/16" G4 is around $4.27 per pound at Defender with free shipping. 5/16" G4 is 1.1 lb. per foot.

I'm surprised I haven't found a galvanizer in New Bedford!
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There used to be a galanizer very close to you but they stopped doing it because of costs of maintaining the regs. I'm pretty sure there are galvanizers still running down in like Tennessee. Still might be far to ship. But @dlochner is right - you aren't getting free shiping out of Defender on chain...

dj
 
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skunther said:
If I need new chain, how do I mitigate such corrosion in the future?
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How old is your chain? Considering the condition of your chain, it would be a waste of time/money to re-galvanize, IMHO. Go with new.

We used our 1991 original 30' hot dipped galvanized chain many times over the years and it looked nothing like yours when I replaced it in 2015 with 50' of ACCO brand (Made in USA) hot dipped galvanized 5/16" G4 chain in order to obtain a bit better holding weight. Our 2015 chain has spent a lot of time in sea water and it looks the same now as it did then.

Big difference between galvanized and hot dipped galvanized chain. Was unable to source our new chain locally as I wanted a USA made hot dipped galvanized brand. An industrial chain supplier in Seattle was my nearest source. Everett suppliers including big box stores carried mostly off shore galvanized brands, not hot dipped.

When I finish each cruise, I wash the chain/rode/anchor well with fresh water to help extend the life of the windlass and all that goes with it.
 
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dlochner said:
Dang, I was going to take your argument to the bank and explain why I spent 125% of my account balance
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Like my Wife?:facepalm:

She tells them to use her credit card for the overcharge.
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Terry Cox said:
When I finish each cruise, I wash the chain/rode/anchor well with fresh water to help extend the life of the windlass and all that goes with it.
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:plus::plus:

But clean Salt water is ok too.

We have a sea water pump to wash anchors and deck.
Outlet is installed inside our anchor locker.

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After 20 years of anchor chain use...

Should I replace our 2 chains?

Jim...

PS: What galvanization is left?
 
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JamesG161 said:
PS: What galvanization is left?
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Actually, there may be some left. The innermost layer of hot dipped galvanize has a high iron content so may appear "rusty" when in fact that layer is still protecting your chain.... Certainly can't tell you from the photos...

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skunther

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Feb 16, 2021
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JamesG161 said:
opps :facepalm:
The link diameter has a 125% over design factor. So depending of the link Size, you may lose some metal and still be ok.

Jim...
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I’m still confused on this. Are you saying I can lose 20% of chain (so the chain has now lost 1/5 of its diameter and is now 100% of it’s design factor instead of 125% as you said), and the chain will still have good holding strength?
We are on Sucia, headed to the Gulf Islands for several weeks tomorrow. Do I need to replace this chain ASAP or can we complete our trip and replace it after?
 
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