is the girl in the photo topless?
it's fair to assume that boat gives a relaxing ride
it's fair to assume that boat gives a relaxing ride
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jssailem
SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
- Oct 22, 2014
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Thanks. Now that I look at the line drawing and again at the photo Jon posted it’s obvious the backstays are more or less inline with the base of the mizzenmast so the downwind contact thing probably isn’t a concern.
The triactic stay is interesting, sort of like the forestay for the mizzenmast AND something of a backstay for the Main.
jssailem
SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
- Oct 22, 2014
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ohhhh yes the triatic or king stay? All the stays for the main mast stay clear of our mizzen boom, however the MIZZEN mast has twin backstays that only allow us to wing the boom out to say...a deep reach. I’m planning on changing them to shorter spectra stays with block and tackle to create running backstays to allow the mizzen boom to wing all the way out.
PS I seriously thought the lady in the photo was topless the first time I saw that pic too...
PS I seriously thought the lady in the photo was topless the first time I saw that pic too...
Believe it or not, when our main mast broke the mizzen stayed up. I ran a line from the triatic to the forestay attachment at the front of the boat and could have kept sailing I suppose...decided to flip the motor on and continue on the rest of the way home instead
although not a photo of a topless lady I will share a parting shot of Apogee for all you “ogglers”
Sailing near Pt Wilson near Port Townsend
Sailing near Pt Wilson near Port Townsend
Another perhaps silly question
- If the running backstay(s) is/are tightened would that tension the king enough to adjust mainsail-jib shape like an adjustable backstay would?
Thank you! She was built 1964. Fiberglass hull and Teak topsides.
The short answer...yes...although our main mast rigging is all 3/16", pretty beefy stuff. The triatic and mizzen backstays are very small diameter wire...maybe 1/16"? I'm not sure I haven't measured it. Getting this rig tuned just right has been quite a feat (as I'm sure it is on most ketches), the mizzen does play a role in main mast pre-bend and rake. Any adjustment to the main is reflected on the mizzen. On this boat I don't play with pre-bend as it confuses the whole rig. I have a slight amount of rake and a slight amount of pre-bend that I've set with Hi-Mod fittings that the boat seems to like. Since we don't race I just worry about reefing and un-reefing! I think you'd reeeeally have to bone on the adjustable mizzen backstays to get them to bend the main.Another perhaps silly question
Now everyone is going back and zooming in to take a look..is the girl in the photo topless?
it's fair to assume that boat gives a relaxing ride
At least I did.
Yep!
Droptop!
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No need to do this. A fully winged out mizzen sail will slow you down because it will block and disturb the airflow to the larger main and Genoa. Up wind the mizzen doesn't had much either because the main and Genoa block the air flow over the mizzen.
The mizzen comes into its own on a reach, clear air flows across all 3 sails. The other time the mizzen is valuable is when sailing high winds in a jib and jigger combination, a small jib and the mizzen only, the sail plan is balanced and smaller.
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yo dave, "more sail" "square footage, square footage, square footage" in a run or deep reach it will not be slower to have the mizzen up. as the wind and therefor the seas increase you only drop the mizzen when the driving gets squirrly.
at that point. in bigger winds. getting the center of effort forward helps the helm.
all my sloop racing buds would say the same as you, that it is slower to blanket the main. they are wrong. it is not slower.
bethwaite, bjorn johansen, taught me this. with split rigs, get the square footage in the air, yes there will be some blanketing, that's OK. "more sail" for more speed.
JON
at that point. in bigger winds. getting the center of effort forward helps the helm.
all my sloop racing buds would say the same as you, that it is slower to blanket the main. they are wrong. it is not slower.
bethwaite, bjorn johansen, taught me this. with split rigs, get the square footage in the air, yes there will be some blanketing, that's OK. "more sail" for more speed.
JON
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