Americas Cup. Is this "Sailing"?

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rfrye1

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Jun 15, 2004
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Hunter H376 San Diego
I'm watching the Cup on NBC and find myself amazed at these "flying machines". They are incredible. But I don't think many sailors can even relate. As I sail my Hunter 376 in S. Cal around at 6 kts, I wonder what 40kts must feel like!

Anyway I think they should not be called sailboats, but Flying Machines.. Thrilling to watch, but not "sailing" IMHO.
Bob
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,182
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
USA Down 2 + Penalty

I'm watching the Cup on NBC and find myself amazed at these "flying machines". They are incredible. But I don't think many sailors can even relate. As I sail my Hunter 376 in S. Cal around at 6 kts, I wonder what 40kts must feel like!

Anyway I think they should not be called sailboats, but Flying Machines.. Thrilling to watch, but not "sailing" IMHO.
Bob
Well, it's probably sailing as much as ice boating or sand sailing and once our Hunters wouldn't have been thought of as sailboats either I suspect. I think it's just different. What race platforms whatever you call them, huh! And, the graphics and video is terrific. It's hard to think how they could go back to non-foiling boats after getting a taste of these.

Still, I think 70' tris would be almost as exciting and without hard wings, a lot more competition.
 
Mar 26, 2011
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Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
By this logic Formula 1 and Top Fuel drag racing are not auto racing; auto racing should be limitied to show room stock catagories (show room stock cars are modifided for safety and generaly quite high-performance). Of course, I mostly chose not to watch formula 1 and drag racing. But I can relate to the engineering.

I suspect they would find a Hunter 376 as exciting as a rocking chair. Relaxing or plesant, but not exciting.
 
May 26, 2013
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catalina c22 C30TR Winthrop Harbor Marina
It's not as interesting to watch as the old cup races...I can't get into it at all.
 

capta

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Jun 4, 2009
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Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
I think they are exciting and fascinating and I'd give anything to sail one.
I have some doubts that it is at all like the sailing we do, with the difference in beating and running something like 7 degrees. Looking forward for the wind shifts instead of aft on the down wind leg????
I've been asking around about getting foils made for our Pearson, but haven't found anyone here in Grenada willing to build them. Oh well, maybe in Trinidad. But I think I'll pass on the wing sail; too hard to reef.
 
Mar 8, 2011
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Ranger 33 Norfolk
I dunno. . .I don't consider them sailboats the same as I don't consider watching electric dragsters "real" drag racing. . .they both seem, gimmicky?

Bass Fishing Tournaments would lose all meaning if everyone had cameras on underwater ROV's to see if fish were where they are casting. . .

just my 2 cents, if you don't like it. . .remember how much you paid for it ;)
 
May 10, 2004
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Beneteau 36 CC Sidney, BC, Canada
I love to go for an afternoon sail or take my 1999 bimmer convertible for a drive on a Saturday afternoon. If I still played hockey I'd probably be in an old timers league. Having said that, the current AC match racing, a formula one race or an NHL Canucks hockey game do not in anyway relate to my life but they are certainly entertaining ! I watched the 1st and 2nd AC races today with my two sons and if that isn't sailing then I don't know what is.
 
Dec 26, 2012
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MacGregor 25 San Diego
The sailing most people do on larger cruising sail boats isn't anything like what they do on racing skiffs either, yet there's no debate about them being sail boats or not. I really dont get all this debate about "is this sailing or not". The boats are powered by the wind, so that's sailing, period. Anyone saying differently is just overly nostalgic or living in another time IMHO. Remember when we had to plug our computers into a phone line to send an email? Since I can do it wirelessly from my phone now does that make it not an email? It's a ridiculous discussion.
 
Jan 22, 2008
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Hunter 34 Alameda CA
:DIs it me or has the America's Cup in modern times (Dennis Conner onward) been largely contested and decided in the courtroom? In the future maybe CSpan will provide all the required America's Cup coverage. This on the water hoopla is quite distracting.:D:D:D
 
Jun 9, 2013
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Rafiki 37 Novato, California
Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's an AC72

Between the wing sails and the hydrofoils I don't relate to these AC72 sailboats, for lack of a better term, at all.
 
Aug 20, 2010
1,399
Oday 27 Oak Orchard
Let's look at this from a historical perspective. Until Andrea Doria rigged his sails fore and aft anyone commiting such a thing would have been labeled a witch and burned at the stake. None of us consider such to be the case now. Square rigging was common place for most of the world. Would anyone lament the passing of that. The difference now is the monohull isn't going away. It still offers the seakeeping ability and comfort that splitting the hull just won't do. For the average sailor the monohull remains the gold standard. Hopefully what is learned from the AC will in time spin off some benefits we all can enjoy. Our sails aren't cotton and our running rigging isn't hemp anymore either. Anyone interested in going back to those?
 
Oct 17, 2011
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Ericson 29 Southport..
Part of what I like about the AC is their uniqueness. While I consider it sailing, it is a boat with sails, it is very far removed from what most of us do daily. Great. They are unique, just like my neighbor on either side of me. My buddy on port races his San Juan all over, whole deck full of crew, loud, busy, whatever. And I wonder every day why. Although his boat resembles mine somewhat, depending on the perspective of the critic, that's where any resemblance stops. David would no more have a flat screen and microwave on his boat than I would that gawdawful tiller and barberhaulers. But we're good friends and admire each others boats all the same.
Now, while I had rather eat a possum than turn on a TV, the aforementioned Nascar point was brought up. That is an exact example as I can think of. If I happen to remember it, I will turn on the Talladega race. It's largely a race of aerodynamics, and that part I like. I don't know one driver from the next, and not give one damn who won. Or in what brand of car either. Because like said, these cars resemble a Chevrolet, Ford, or Toyota SOMEWHAT. That's it. They kinda look like them. Would the public tune in and sit down to watch a bunch of foreign made mommy-mobiles go 110 miles an hour around the track? Hell, you can go to Harris-Teeter and watch that. And nobody is going to give a fat red cent to watch us old cruisers run around the pins while throwing beer cans at each other.

The Americas Cup has a longer than 100 year old history of cheating, lying, manipulating, suing, skullduggery, back-stabbing, and all other kinds of character defects, some even invented by the NYYC. Good. Rich boys, rich toys, so what. I too miss the wrangling days of DC, twelve meters, aluminum boats and all. But it's all about the money. And unless nobody's noticed, horse and buggy racing is not very popular. I'm sure the Amish love it, but nobody else would pay to see it. You can kinda see where this is going..

So is it sailing? No, not like we do, of course not. But they are sailing. And people are watching it. Paying money to do it. And new equipment gets prototyped and tested for us, the poor. Lowly Yachtsmen. Downtrodden.

And can you imagine what a lot of people think about us?
 
Jan 6, 2010
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I agree with most here, that this is not as exciting as the monohull match races.

One thought I had was adding these sleds to a separate Extreme Sports venue.
Or, maybe have two separate classes for the Cup races.

1. monohulls 2. catamarans. That should satisfy most folks.

There was hardly any TV coverage thru the preliminary rounds. I miss when HBO did the races.

CR
 

jviss

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Feb 5, 2004
7,089
Tartan 3800 20 Westport, MA
USA Down 2 + Penalty
Thanks for the spoiler, right in the title of your post! I haven't watched this yet, since I'm out sailing this weekend.

You really should put some kind of spoiler alert in, rather than just blurting out the result.
 
May 6, 2012
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Hunter 28.5 Jordan, ON
Thanks for the spoiler, right in the title of your post! I haven't watched this yet, since I'm out sailing this weekend.

You really should put some kind of spoiler alert in, rather than just blurting out the result.
The irony here is that on the android mobile app, which I use, the titles of each individual post aren't displayed (unless somebody copies and pastes one into the body of a new message).

Eheheh
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,182
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Oops!

Thanks for the spoiler, right in the title of your post! I haven't watched this yet, since I'm out sailing this weekend.

You really should put some kind of spoiler alert in, rather than just blurting out the result.
Didn't even think of it. Will next time, betcha.
 
Jan 27, 2008
3,086
ODay 35 Beaufort, NC
Looks like a disaster for the US. These races will likely wrap up this week and then it will be off to New Zealand for the next challenge. If you have noticed for the last two decades the boats have pretty much changed for each challenge, maybe a couple in a row were done in those AC cup class monohulls. Many of the races were boring and a complete blowout as the boats weren't even the same design, we had a 120 foot monohull against a catamaran. A trimaran with wing versus a catamaran with traditional sails. Lots of talk going around about young kids getting interested again as the new boats are exciting, kind of like wind surfing was exciting, then kite boarding came along. Certainly things are evolving in sailing to be more edge of the seat thrilling. I am happy to sail my little 11 foot dinghy around at three or 4 knots, plenty of thrills to keep from getting blown over in a big puff. So where do they go from here? Will the next batch of boats be along this line or will something else come along even more radical? Also will Larry Ellison challenge or will he tire of the drain in money and human resources required for this sport?
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Please don't post spoilers

Many of us tape the coverage and watch it later.

I also have been commenting on the poor coverage, where the TV shows the guys on the boats at mark roundings instead of the aerial shots. Yesterday, the first commercial was after Mark 2, when most of the crossing and passing occurred during the first race.

The lame commentators said: "While we were away, the best racing of the series happened."

Jerks!

All the graphics and wonderful possibilities gone to waste. They need a TV director who knows something about sailboat racing.

Imagine if they broke to a commercial during the Super Bowl when one team was driving for a touchdown, or the bottom of the ninth in the seventh game of the World Series.

And - they didn't even show replays...

Lame.
 
Dec 20, 2011
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Oday 19 weekender New Milford,Ct.
Many of us tape the coverage and watch it later.

I also have been commenting on the poor coverage, where the TV shows the guys on the boats at mark roundings instead of the aerial shots. Yesterday, the first commercial was after Mark 2, when most of the crossing and passing occurred during the first race.

The lame commentators said: "While we were away, the best racing of the series happened."

Jerks!

All the graphics and wonderful possibilities gone to waste. They need a TV director who knows something about sailboat racing.

Imagine if they broke to a commercial during the Super Bowl when one team was driving for a touchdown, or the bottom of the ninth in the seventh game of the World Series.

And - they didn't even show replays...

Lame.
You nailed it Stu there could be better coverage.I'm just happy they're covering it on television...NBC no less.I'm curious to see what kind of ratings they will get.Hopefully there will be more sailing coverage in the future.
 
Jan 27, 2008
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ODay 35 Beaufort, NC
So what keeps these boats from heeling a lot when the wind kicks up? Seems like regardless of wind strength they stay pretty flat and just get up on their foils. The lifting foil is on the leeward side so what is stopping the windward hull from lifting significantly and heeling the boat? Considering the forces involved in sailing this fast it can't be just the crew weight. Do they have a bunch of ballast in the hulls?
 
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