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May 23, 2004
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I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
There are many of us guys out there sailing. A lot of us have wives, fiancees, or girlfriends that don't want to go out sailing and cruising. Why do they not go? How could we make it better for them?

I am introducing my Fiancee to sailing and cruising. I have had her out twice and I am impressed so far because she is asking questions and wanting to learn things about the boat. Right now I am teaching her simple things in favorable conditions and I encourage her a lot. I know that it is bad to yell or fuss and if something isn't being done right offer suggestions and not corrections.

What could we do to make our ladies enjoy the experience and want to spend time out on the boat? What suggestions do you ladies have about this?
 

RECESS

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Dec 20, 2003
1,505
Pearson 323 . St. Mary's Georgia
It has been my experience that men like the sailing and most of the women I know that enjoy sailing like the time at destinations better. I think as long as both people are honest about what they like about sailing, the better chance both will look forward to it. You may just want to get out on the water for an afternoon, but you also have a 1000 destinations on Chesapeake bay, make sail to them when she is getting used to the boat and I think you will have a wife that looks forward to the trip. It took my wife a while to get used to the heeling of the boat. If she was ever not in the mood, I put away the sails and we motored. I want a partner who is in it for a lifetime. I am fortunate that she has sailed with me since her early twenties, but there are days she would prefer to be under motor.
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
Has she expressed an interest in learning how to sail?? If not, then you may be in for trouble. If she has, I would highly recommend sending her off to an ASA 101 learn to sail type course.... then you and she can at least speak the same language.
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
3,198
1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
if she is interested in l earning the boat--teach her the boat--from top to bottom and how to use it. EVERYTHING. as you repair--show her what and how...is alll goood. if you are truly going to spend life with her she NEEDS to know these things. EVERYTHING!!!! have fun--gooood luck--if she is one of the rare ones you are fortunate. leave learning how to repair the head for lastest thing--is too yukky to start out with..LOL......(unless she fouls it up and has to be fixed) -- teach her how to use the boat as ye teach her the parts of the boat. let her know what each part does and how it does it. there are no male and female jobs on boats--is alll the same--TEAMWORK!!!!!...you geaux, bad obsession!!!!
 
Jun 9, 2004
963
Hunter 40.5 Bayfield, WI
Hmm. I always have a hard time answering this question. The reason is that in the years I have been sailing most of my sailing friends are guys because so few women are involved. These guys ask me the same question all the time. How do I get her to be interested? What did your husband do to get you interested in sailing? My answers are usually I don't know and nothing. The first time I went sailing was with my husband and his friend who had just bought a Starwind 23. It was a lovely late spring day and they conned me into going for a ride on this sailboat on lovely Lake Minnetonka. After hoisting the sails they had me take the tiller. Not knowing what to do I turned the bow through the wind and promptly got smacked with the mainsheet as the boom swung violently over. I said some unladylike words and turned the helm back over to the men. A little time went by and the guys encouraged me to take the helm again and I did. The breeze was probably 10-12knots and we were on a nice beam reach. I took the helm, the boat heeled slightly and all of the sudden I felt the most amazing connection of the feel of the wind on the sail and the pressure of the water on the rudder and my hands on the tiller. I was hooked at that moment and have been ever since. Eventually my husband and I got our own boat and we raced on a 2500 acre inland lake for years and then we bought a 1984 34 ft Hunter and we started cruising Lake Superior and the Apostle Islands. We now have a Hunter 40.5 and I still love sailing as much and maybe more now. I don't know why so many women don't like to sail. I have on occasion asked them and no one has ever really had a good reason other than they don't like it. I think your ideas are good and bringing her along slowly and not scaring the bejeebers out of her is good. On the other hand, in the early days of my sailing my husband regularly scared the crap out of me and while that drove me crazy it also helped me push my limits and I grew from it. We always went out on our Seidelman 24 on days when the wind was howling and no one and I mean no one else was on the lake. We learned how to sail in heavy air and not be scared. Anyway, I am probably not the best person to ask because I just fell in love with sailing and there was nothing anyone could do about it.
 
Jun 7, 2007
515
Hunter 320 Williamsburg
1. Reef early, preferably at the dock.
2. Don't list beyond 10 or 15 degrees.
3. Anticipate the gust, go to broad reach.
4. Be solicitous at all times.
5. Return to dock earlier than planned.
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
3,198
1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
1. Reef early, preferably at the dock.
2. Don't list beyond 10 or 15 degrees.
3. Anticipate the gust, go to broad reach.
4. Be solicitous at all times.
5. Return to dock earlier than planned.
ROFL

might be ok for the wimps--but it sounds like bad obsession might just have a female not a felame....
 
Dec 2, 2003
1,637
Hunter 376 Warsash, England --
Sailing Wives

Sailing wives are a wonderfully tolerant group of ladies - but eventually their husbands take too many liberties and they carefully choose the time to take revenge.

One evening after a particularly hard, wet and windy week's racing in the Solent, Matthew and Marion were walking along along the seafront at Cowes when they chanced to meet one of Matthew's business colleagues and his wife. Matt wanted to make a good impression and introduced his wife very formally saying "I would like you to meet my wife Marion".
"No Matthew darling" she said putting on her sweetest smile, "why don't you use my proper name when you introduce me to your friends?"
"Proper name" said Matt, "dunno what you mean. I did use your proper name" responded Matt instantly grumpy.

"Well Matt, all week you have been addressing me as Arrghh Bloody Hell Marion"

And still we wonder why they take up other pursuits.

Names changed to spare the blushes
 
Jun 8, 2004
853
Pearson 26W Marblehead
women & Sailing my 2c

After 50 years of sailing Ill sum up my experience with women sailors Ive come to this conclusion, most but not all women dont like sailing. Some of them pretend interest when they first meet a sailor, but that soon fades. My opinion is if you have a female partner or spouse that truly likes sailing consider yourself lucky. Otherwise the prudent thing to do is look elsewhere for crew. I know many couples that have split up over sailing issues, and the costs that are part of sailboat ownership. If you have a decent female partner with other good attributes that resists. I wouldnt try to push sailing on her
 
Jun 8, 2004
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Macgregor 26M Delta, B.C. Canada 26M not X
I am one of the lucky sailors' whose wife enjoys sailing.
The first thing you want to do is get her at the wheel or on the tilller, in a position of control so that SHE feels in control of her destiny instead of some stupid man. Once she is comfortable at the helm she will relax and enjoy.
Destinations are also important, stop over at a big harbour that has stores and shops for her to explore and she will want to go again, save anchorages for a later year, she is not likely to appreciate anchoring right away.
Make sure you have good facilities on board, like a clean private head and electric pressure running water so that she can wash up in a civilized environment.
It would also help if you could get her interested in taking ownership, by that I mean get her to do the interior decor, pick out and hang the curtains, choose the bedding, change the carpets or upholstery, add pictures or ornaments in other words add her personal touch so that she feels like it is her boat too.
Keep the boat clean, I mean sterilized, so that she can feel comfortable. The holds must be clean so that when SHE buys her choice of dishes there is clean storage for them. In fact you better have a clean place for all her belongings if you want her to overnight with you.
Take pride of ownership in your boat and get her to take pride in it too, keep it waxed and clean, inside and out, always be looking for ways to improve your boat both through creature comforts and boat operation.
One more thing. "ATTITUDE" if you have a cavalier attitude and push the limits beyond her comfort level first time out, it will be her first and last time out. Practice safety religiously in her presence, make her feel like you really do know what you are doing. I mean lets face it guys, in the eyes of our wives we are just a stupid man. When did you ever get transfer credits for the knowledge you obtained before meeting your wife, I bet you don't. You actually have to prove yourself in her presence and demonstrate competency, and above all, a safety oriented mannerism. Show her that you care about her safety, and your own. Don't do any stupid stunts or even once dismiss her concerns, dismiss her once and it will be the last time you do. If she feels frightened and asks to return then do so immediately. I once had to turn back a quarter mile out on a weekend trip because my wife got panicky about the whitecaps and did not want to proceed. (actually it was blowin stink and the waves were big) I was choked and disappointed but went along with her and returned to the slip. We did the trip another week later and while out there she told me that had I not returned last week and instead pushed on that she would never trust me again. I may have had to turn back but in return I gained her trust and respect and guys, that is priceless, once you loose it you will never gain it back, so do not ever loose it in the first place, patience patience.
Take at least some of my advice and you are sure to have a sailor for a wife. Lucky be the man who has a wife who is a sailor.
 

Gail R

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Apr 22, 2009
261
Pearson 34 Freeport, ME
Reading what’s been posted so far and reflecting on my own experiences of the last 16 years leads me to one conclusion: There is no one-size-fits-all answer to this. But as a woman who loves sailing, and hangs out with other women who love sailing, I’ll offer up a few things.

Let me start by saying my husband is no “stupid man.” I have tremendous respect for his knowledge, experience, and skills. That helps a lot on the rare occasions we get in a pickle.

Now on to my not-so-short list:

If you want a wife/GF/SO that loves sailing, pick the right girl to begin with. Low-maintenance types generally work best, as they don’t mind being a little grungy and won’t get all flustered if their hair gets messed up or if they break a nail. Bad hair days and broken nails are a big part of sailing. Our earliest dates (pre-boat) consisted of hiking, canoeing, camping, and skiing excursions. Sailing was a natural complement to those.

Offer up some third-party instruction for her. Maybe you could use some, too. My husband and I took Power Squadron classes together and I really took to navigation to the point that it is my main task on the boat now. Also, check into a community sailing program that might offer on-the-water instruction. I say third party because people often take to instruction better when it comes from an impartial source. Also, good instructors understand different learning styles. My husband’s and my learning styles are on opposite ends of the spectrum and it’s hard for him to teach me stuff in a way that I can understand.

Pick the right days for your first outings – light breeze, flat seas. Not too much wind, but not a drifter day either unless you want to motor all day. It can be incredibly difficult to learn sail trim when there isn’t enough wind to move the boat.

Like Capt. Kermie says, keep the boat clean. Ours isn’t sterile by any means, but unless the captain’s in the middle of a messy project (like right now), it’s pretty darned clean. There’s a place for everything and everything’s in its place.

Have at least a porta-potti or preferably dedicated head on your boat. I know of no woman who enjoys peeing in a bucket. Unlike Capt. Kermie, I don’t consider electric pressure water or even hot water to be an absolute necessity, but I’m pretty low-maintenance to start with. Does that make me uncivilized? :eek:

Make sure she has enough warm clothing. Fleece and windbreaker are a must, along with long pants just in case. Even when it’s hot on shore, it can be considerably cooler on the water. Make sure there is also sunscreen and sunglasses on board.

Gradually introduce her to more spirited conditions and all that goes along with them. I used to squeak audibly whenever our boat heeled more than 15 degrees. What worked for us was for me to control the mainsheet and thus, the level of heel. My comfort zone gradually expanded, and today, the squeak doesn’t come into play until there are gusts and a heel angle of at least 35 degrees. For another couple I know, she nearly always has the helm. Best of all, each experience in less-than-perfect conditions reinforces the knowledge that the boat can take way more than we can. If my husband had turned tail and gone in every time I displayed the least bit of apprehension, I would be even less of a sailor than I am now. Of course, YMMV on that one.

Destinations are important, but not all women need stores and shops. Some of us enjoy a secluded anchorage and, in fact, revel in the idea of having an anchorage all to ourselves, if you catch my drift. :)

If the you-know-what hits the fan while you’re out there, only raise your voice to the level necessary to be heard and understood. In fact, this is something you might want to clear up ahead of time – that if something goes less than perfect, you might raise your voice, but only to ensure you are heard above the din of luffing sails and what not. Having an understanding that sometimes things won’t go perfectly, but that the skipper knows how to get us safely back to the mooring, is comforting.

Sorry for the long-winded short list.
 
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May 23, 2004
3,319
I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
So far my Fiancee has expressed interest in sailing and she is curious about it. I have taken her out twice and she enjoyed herself. She also took the time to learn how to help pack the main, tie on the dock lines, help fend the boat going in the slip, and how to put the main sail cover on. She has steered the boat some also and done a good job with this.

I have really talked about the romantic parts of it.....eating dinner in a nice anchorage as the sun goes down with a glass of wine to wash dinner down, visiting places like Annapolis and Solomons Island, and other such things.

Time will tell but I am encouraged so far. I also try to put her in charge of where we go and how long we are out. I want her to feel that she has some control in this and she isn't just a passenger that is along for the ride.

Wish me luck!
 

Gail R

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Apr 22, 2009
261
Pearson 34 Freeport, ME
So far my Fiancee has expressed interest in sailing and she is curious about it. I have taken her out twice and she enjoyed herself. She also took the time to learn how to help pack the main, tie on the dock lines, help fend the boat going in the slip, and how to put the main sail cover on. She has steered the boat some also and done a good job with this.

I have really talked about the romantic parts of it.....eating dinner in a nice anchorage as the sun goes down with a glass of wine to wash dinner down, visiting places like Annapolis and Solomons Island, and other such things.

Time will tell but I am encouraged so far. I also try to put her in charge of where we go and how long we are out. I want her to feel that she has some control in this and she isn't just a passenger that is along for the ride.

Wish me luck!
Let me get this right... she became your fiance prior to being boat tested??? Are you NUTS???? :)
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,011
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Good material. I have a wife who loves to sail, but has other interests, too. She "lets" me take the boat out all the time and any time I like. Sometimes she comes with me. This does not have to be an "all-or-nothing" relationship.

For those of you who "need" crew to run your boat, or who always "need" or prefer having guests aboard, that's fine, too. Find them and go out.

But I also like singlehanding, and meet lots of people that I would not have met had others been with me. That's kinda the nature of traveling.
 

Les

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May 8, 2004
375
Hunter 27 Bellingham, WA
I seem to be out of touch with a lot of what has been written here. Women taught me how to sail. Years ago a woman called me and asked if she could borrow my Cal 20 for some practice racing. She had an all women crew and needed to practice on a Cal 20 before heading to San Francisco to compete in a national racing contest in Cals. I had never loaned my boat to anyone much less an all women crew. But I agreed to the loan only if I could sit below and watch what they did. They came on board one Wednesday evening and the first thing they did was to turn my rig. Then they checked my sails and put on tell tails. All over the sails. Then they measured the sheets and marked them. Then and only then did we leave the dock. We practiced race against an all guy Cal 20 and they beat them so much that the girls would wait at the windward mark for the guys to catch up. I learned a lot that day.

We've had ten boats in this family. We bought the boats together....my wfie and I. We're both skippers and on a family cruise she is skipper for one week and I'm skipper the next week. About the only thing that I do that she won't do is change the oil in the engine.

Guys, you don't teach your wife anything. You learn together. My wife taught sailing at a university--keel boat sailing PE407. She's good and I think she's good because we learned together.

Sad story. Some years back we had a Hunter 40--big sucker. And hard to dock as we would back into the slip. So one Saturday morning Lynn and I decided to go down to the harbor and practice docking our boat. We'd take it out of the harbor, turn around and bring it back, head up and then back down. First me, then her, then me, then her. We did this all morning long until both of us felt pretty good about docking that boat.

Across from our slip was a guest moorage and a boat was in it with a woman sitting on the cabin top in the sun knitting away. She watched us all morning as she knitted and as we finished our practice dockings, she asked Lynn what were we doing. Lynn replied that we were practicing docking the boat. Again the lady spoke, "Does he allow you to handle the boat?" And Lynn said, "he has to because it was her boat too. But she wanted to know how to maneuver the boat too. "

I remember very clearly the woman saying to Lynn, "I wish my husband would let me do that."

The best way for women to learn how to sail is by themselves without a male around. There is a research book entitled, "How Women Learn" by a Harvard sociologist who has ample research that women learn best with other women. But as soon as one male in introduced, learning rate falls considerably. I know my wife has had all women classes in teaching sailing and she said they have no fear of learning to operate a sail boat. And women don't yell.....

Don't know if this helped anyone but it is a fascinating thread. By the way I know about a dozen or so women who own and operate their own sailing boat. I love them all. Great gals.
 

druid

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Apr 22, 2009
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Ontario 32 Pender Harbour
OK, first problem with this thread is the assumption that all women are alike, and therefore there's some kind of common procedure to get "them" to enjoy sailing. Second problem is the idea that you can "get" them to enjoy sailing.

For each individual woman, I think the primary thing to do is try to find out what PART of sailing they may enjoy: is it getting out on the water? Staying at a quiet anchorage? The power of the wind? The feeling of power you get when you're controlling a large sailboat? Knowing this will give you a CHANCE of nurturing some enthusiasm.

One big difference is some women WANT to be told how to do stuff, others resent it. Some like doing things they're familiar with, like cooking and cleaning, others resent being stereotyped and discovering they're brought along to do the same chores they do at home. Some like the excitement of punching upwind in 25 knots or flying a spinnaker, others would be scared by that.

So the ONE thing to do to encourage female sailors is to NOT have "one thing"... Sorta like Curly's "one thing" on City Slickers...

druid
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
This is one reason I often recommend that the two spouses go and learn how to sail SEPARATELY from each other. Another issue is that if one of the two spouses is more dominant or outgoing, the other will allow themselves to drop back into the background and won't learn or do as much as if their spouse was not present.

The best way for women to learn how to sail is by themselves without a male around. There is a research book entitled, "How Women Learn" by a Harvard sociologist who has ample research that women learn best with other women. But as soon as one male in introduced, learning rate falls considerably. I know my wife has had all women classes in teaching sailing and she said they have no fear of learning to operate a sail boat. And women don't yell.....
 

BobM

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Jun 10, 2004
3,269
S2 9.2A Winthrop, MA
Do you know my Wife Druid?

OK, first problem with this thread is the assumption that all women are alike, and therefore there's some kind of common procedure to get "them" to enjoy sailing. Second problem is the idea that you can "get" them to enjoy sailing.

For each individual woman, I think the primary thing to do is try to find out what PART of sailing they may enjoy: is it getting out on the water? Staying at a quiet anchorage? The power of the wind? The feeling of power you get when you're controlling a large sailboat? Knowing this will give you a CHANCE of nurturing some enthusiasm.

One big difference is some women WANT to be told how to do stuff, others resent it. Some like doing things they're familiar with, like cooking and cleaning, others resent being stereotyped and discovering they're brought along to do the same chores they do at home. Some like the excitement of punching upwind in 25 knots or flying a spinnaker, others would be scared by that.

So the ONE thing to do to encourage female sailors is to NOT have "one thing"... Sorta like Curly's "one thing" on City Slickers...

druid
I think you must know my Wife Druid. She occaisionally goes sailing with me, but she totally resents feeling obligated to go. Sometimes she says she will go, but doesn't feel like it when it is time to go. I always tell her that if she truly wants to go she is welcome, but if she isn't sure she is welcome to stay home. It is fun if she feels she will enjoy her self, but will have more fun without her if she is uncertain and shouldn't go just to make me happy.

Regarding the "send her to get some lessons" advice. She took basic keelboat when I did and even took and passed the test. She retained ~0% of it and cannot operate the boat even after five years of sailing. When asked why she responds that she didn't retain it because she is not interested in it. You can lead a horse to water, but if it isn't thirsty it won't drink.

However, the best advice I ever got was to let her take the wheel when she is willing. She feels in control of the situation and is participating. She usually steers for about an hour than loses interest.

Regarding catering to the things she likes to do on board. She likes to entertain friends on board a couple times a year and to show off the boat...therefore I bought a bigger and nicer boat for her to show off :).

She apparently likes the concept of Yachting...jut not the yacht part LOL.

Sorry Bad Obsession...I sat my fiancee' to be down 12 years ago before I gave her the ring to discuss irreconcileable differences that would mean we perhaps shouldn't marry...she didn't want kids and I told her I would need to try sailing some day...we both said it was acceptable. She apparently wasn't entirely truthful....
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
3,198
1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
bad obsession--sounds like you ar eat least going about handling your lady in arespectable manner---or, as it were, going about it in the right way...keep up the good work----let her do stuff and let her help with repairs...ALL of them...if she is to be yer wifee then let her knowwhat the mistress is all about----
i am solo female--i KNOW thast i have to maintain my boats and i KNOW i have to sail them..i also do no thave a husband or bf who would become jellus of my time spent with the other woman lol....... as long as sher is aware of what it is that makes the boat go and what it is that fixes it and how to make it all come together should anything happen to you to make you not able for whatever reason---she will be ok.-- that is a serious concern--especially if you are going to go cruising....too many females are not able to take over if anything happpens to the "man of the house"...LOL===stuff happens out there.....if she is comfortable taking over the operations of the boat and handling it she will be ok
and so will you and so will the boat.......not all females are felame. some are actually females.....lol.....and some have a good tomboy streak in them......
 
May 23, 2004
3,319
I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
Yeah. She deserves to be treated well. I am very proud of her as she is of me. She likes to pitch in. I think that she will like cooking in the galley because she likes to cook at home also (we both do). I am trying to give her control of a lot of things because I want her to feel as an equal and not as a passenger or crew.
 

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