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sailaway78

sailaway78

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May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
Barnacles???

I really expected that prop to just be covered in barnacles. HUH There isn't enough left of that thing to grow a good barnacle crop on. Glad it wasn't something more major.
 
sailaway78

sailaway78

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May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
Barnacles???

I really expected that prop to just be covered in barnacles. HUH There isn't enough left of that thing to grow a good barnacle crop on. Glad it wasn't something more major.
 
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Waffle

The new prop looks used

you should get it serviced before you put it on. I know I am the na sayer but this boat was neglected. It the prop was in this condition and the cushions are, shot you have to wonder about the rest of the boat?
 
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Waffle

The new prop looks used

you should get it serviced before you put it on. I know I am the na sayer but this boat was neglected. It the prop was in this condition and the cushions are, shot you have to wonder about the rest of the boat?
 
Ross

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
A neglected prop and dirty cushions

can be a ticket to a bargain or a disaster. In this case I think a bargain is the result. Worn out corrosion eaten 2 blade prop versus a new three blade is no contest. You could have a brand new lincoln with a flat tire, a busted head light and a bucket of s*** dumped on the roof and some folk would declare it worthless. But if you look beneath the surface you can see the real value.
 
Ross

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
A neglected prop and dirty cushions

can be a ticket to a bargain or a disaster. In this case I think a bargain is the result. Worn out corrosion eaten 2 blade prop versus a new three blade is no contest. You could have a brand new lincoln with a flat tire, a busted head light and a bucket of s*** dumped on the roof and some folk would declare it worthless. But if you look beneath the surface you can see the real value.
 
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Waffle

Re:A neglected prop and dirty cushions

Ok, here is what I think, but remember we have not seen the boat and are only guessing. 1. The three blade is used and should be reconditioned before it is put in service. I got mine done it cost $170. The PO must of hit something and one of the blades was off. 2. If corrosion has eaten the prop my guess is the shaft is not much better off. I woould guess it is time to change the motor mounts too. 3. How about the motor? If the PO didn't change the zinc on the shaft why would he change the oil? 4. If the cushion were in this bad of shape my guess is the PO never recaulked the deck hardware. I think there is a good chance the core is wet. The canas and sail look good in the picture. My guess is the orginally owner took care of the boat. Is the boat a bargin, NO, I think it is farely priced. There is not a huge market for older boats unless they are classics, sad but true. If it sounds to good to be true, it is too good to be true. You get what you pay for. I don't think SEADANCE has the time to work on this boat to get it back in shape. Her and her husband work and raise kids. BOTTOM LINE, get a good survey and find out what your in for! Find out what this boat is going to cost to get up to pair. PS: It is way under powered!
 
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Waffle

Re:A neglected prop and dirty cushions

Ok, here is what I think, but remember we have not seen the boat and are only guessing. 1. The three blade is used and should be reconditioned before it is put in service. I got mine done it cost $170. The PO must of hit something and one of the blades was off. 2. If corrosion has eaten the prop my guess is the shaft is not much better off. I woould guess it is time to change the motor mounts too. 3. How about the motor? If the PO didn't change the zinc on the shaft why would he change the oil? 4. If the cushion were in this bad of shape my guess is the PO never recaulked the deck hardware. I think there is a good chance the core is wet. The canas and sail look good in the picture. My guess is the orginally owner took care of the boat. Is the boat a bargin, NO, I think it is farely priced. There is not a huge market for older boats unless they are classics, sad but true. If it sounds to good to be true, it is too good to be true. You get what you pay for. I don't think SEADANCE has the time to work on this boat to get it back in shape. Her and her husband work and raise kids. BOTTOM LINE, get a good survey and find out what your in for! Find out what this boat is going to cost to get up to pair. PS: It is way under powered!
 
Maine Sail

Maine Sail

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Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
From the prop picture..

From the prop picture it looks as if that prop was painted with an anti-fouling paint and then the zinc was never replaced when it went. NEVER paint a prop, strut or shaft with standard copper based anti-fouling paint or you're prop, strut or shaft will eventually look like that!! "Quote" "I believed that a $450 survey and $275 haul out and others expenses would not have solved my bottom problem and engine" Seadance PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE for your own sake DO NOT rely on an insurance survey that is three years old! Trust me you CAN NOT properly survey a hull, keel joint, strut, rudder or prop shaft with the boat in the water! It is physically impossible to measure laminate moisture or rudder moisture with the boat in water! It sounds to me like you're being swindled by the owner, broker and the local divers who appear to be in cohoots. GET A FULL SURVEY! A lot of folks have tried to help you here and I know some of them will be doing an "I told you so" in a few weeks if you don't do this thing right. You say your already out $95.00 well that's just pocket change compared to what you may find later if you don't do a proper survey! I'm not trying to scare you but the owner has already lied and things just don't add up at all. Having worked with surveyors I can tell you there is a huge difference between an insurance survey and a buyers survey in the order of about 6 hours time on a 30 footer! Insurance surveys are merely to make sure the boat can be insured that's all. A proper out of water survey leave the boat on the hard for at least a week or two to "dry out" the paint so better moisture readings can be observed and any moisture in the rudder or keel joint will and can appear. You can't do a 4 hour haul survey and get the results you as a buyer would want. An insurance survey is NOT a buyers survey. perhaps I misread but it appears from your writing that you are waiting for the owners three year old insurance survey to determine condition! Do your own survey...
 
Maine Sail

Maine Sail

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Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
From the prop picture..

From the prop picture it looks as if that prop was painted with an anti-fouling paint and then the zinc was never replaced when it went. NEVER paint a prop, strut or shaft with standard copper based anti-fouling paint or you're prop, strut or shaft will eventually look like that!! "Quote" "I believed that a $450 survey and $275 haul out and others expenses would not have solved my bottom problem and engine" Seadance PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE for your own sake DO NOT rely on an insurance survey that is three years old! Trust me you CAN NOT properly survey a hull, keel joint, strut, rudder or prop shaft with the boat in the water! It is physically impossible to measure laminate moisture or rudder moisture with the boat in water! It sounds to me like you're being swindled by the owner, broker and the local divers who appear to be in cohoots. GET A FULL SURVEY! A lot of folks have tried to help you here and I know some of them will be doing an "I told you so" in a few weeks if you don't do this thing right. You say your already out $95.00 well that's just pocket change compared to what you may find later if you don't do a proper survey! I'm not trying to scare you but the owner has already lied and things just don't add up at all. Having worked with surveyors I can tell you there is a huge difference between an insurance survey and a buyers survey in the order of about 6 hours time on a 30 footer! Insurance surveys are merely to make sure the boat can be insured that's all. A proper out of water survey leave the boat on the hard for at least a week or two to "dry out" the paint so better moisture readings can be observed and any moisture in the rudder or keel joint will and can appear. You can't do a 4 hour haul survey and get the results you as a buyer would want. An insurance survey is NOT a buyers survey. perhaps I misread but it appears from your writing that you are waiting for the owners three year old insurance survey to determine condition! Do your own survey...
 
Ross

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Waffle, I would love to counter your

contentions but I must go do some useful work.
 
Ross

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Waffle, I would love to counter your

contentions but I must go do some useful work.
 
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Waffle

Ross,

Look as Sail Marine last post. I agree with it 100%. She needs a survey. A real survey. Boat out of the water survey. He also mention checking the strut, good point I forgot about the strut.
 
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Waffle

Ross,

Look as Sail Marine last post. I agree with it 100%. She needs a survey. A real survey. Boat out of the water survey. He also mention checking the strut, good point I forgot about the strut.
 
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Waffle

Re:Waffle, I would love to counter your

Do it later. I would would love to see your points amd why you are suggesting buying the boat without a survey or why you think 10,000 for this boat is a bargin. Thanks and Respectfully Wif
 
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Waffle

Re:Waffle, I would love to counter your

Do it later. I would would love to see your points amd why you are suggesting buying the boat without a survey or why you think 10,000 for this boat is a bargin. Thanks and Respectfully Wif
 
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BobW

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Jul 21, 2005
456
Hunter 31 San Pedro, Ca
I second Main Sail's advice.....

although 2 weeks on the hard might be difficult. There are warning bells going off - can you hear them? Or are you deafened by 'boat lust'? Amazingly enough, ALL of the posters are pretty much right, even though they are givng you very different advice. The reason is that most any problem on a boat can be fixed, so whether you are getting the deal of the decade or royally ripped off is largely up to you and your ability/willingness to deal with problems that appear after you buy the boat. Obviously, you're not going to be able to buy a 30 year-old sailboat in mint condition for less than $10,000 - EVERY BOAT that age will need maintenance simply because stuff gets old and wears out. Equally obviously, putting this boat through the rigors of a full-blown survey is expensive and time-consuming, and there is a reasonable chance that it will reveal a 'show-stopper', leaving you out perhaps $1,000 and with no boat to show for it. So I recommend you ask yourself this question about the survey: "Am I reluctant to do the survey because I'm afraid of what it might reveal?" If the answer is yes, you might want to re-consider buying this boat. And if you're really bound and determined to buy this boat, then at some point you will have to just make the committment to fix whatever shows up. That is the 'leap of faith' that every boat/car/house/etc buyer must make. :) And just to make the decision more confusing, consider that while a survey will tell you a lot, I was amazed at all the things that were NOT covered: the rig - surveyors are NOT riggers, and he won't climb the rig or do more than a cursory inspection of the standing rigging the engine - surveyors are NOT diesel mechanics the electronics - my surveyor didn't even turn them on the plumbing - ditto A survey also isn't going to tell you stuff like if your chain-plates are corroded almost to the point of breaking where they pass through the deck - the only way to reliably do that is to take off the cover, remove all the sealant and take them out. You've got a tough decision to make, that's for sure. I recommend you get all the help you can, and that includes a survey. Think about this: the odds are pretty good that the survey will uncover something that will let you negotiate the price down by at least the cost of the survey. :) Cheers, Bob s/y X SAIL R 8
 
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BobW

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Jul 21, 2005
456
Hunter 31 San Pedro, Ca
I second Main Sail's advice.....

although 2 weeks on the hard might be difficult. There are warning bells going off - can you hear them? Or are you deafened by 'boat lust'? Amazingly enough, ALL of the posters are pretty much right, even though they are givng you very different advice. The reason is that most any problem on a boat can be fixed, so whether you are getting the deal of the decade or royally ripped off is largely up to you and your ability/willingness to deal with problems that appear after you buy the boat. Obviously, you're not going to be able to buy a 30 year-old sailboat in mint condition for less than $10,000 - EVERY BOAT that age will need maintenance simply because stuff gets old and wears out. Equally obviously, putting this boat through the rigors of a full-blown survey is expensive and time-consuming, and there is a reasonable chance that it will reveal a 'show-stopper', leaving you out perhaps $1,000 and with no boat to show for it. So I recommend you ask yourself this question about the survey: "Am I reluctant to do the survey because I'm afraid of what it might reveal?" If the answer is yes, you might want to re-consider buying this boat. And if you're really bound and determined to buy this boat, then at some point you will have to just make the committment to fix whatever shows up. That is the 'leap of faith' that every boat/car/house/etc buyer must make. :) And just to make the decision more confusing, consider that while a survey will tell you a lot, I was amazed at all the things that were NOT covered: the rig - surveyors are NOT riggers, and he won't climb the rig or do more than a cursory inspection of the standing rigging the engine - surveyors are NOT diesel mechanics the electronics - my surveyor didn't even turn them on the plumbing - ditto A survey also isn't going to tell you stuff like if your chain-plates are corroded almost to the point of breaking where they pass through the deck - the only way to reliably do that is to take off the cover, remove all the sealant and take them out. You've got a tough decision to make, that's for sure. I recommend you get all the help you can, and that includes a survey. Think about this: the odds are pretty good that the survey will uncover something that will let you negotiate the price down by at least the cost of the survey. :) Cheers, Bob s/y X SAIL R 8
 
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