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No Youngins......no money???
We often talk about no one under 45 around the docks or the lake(unless strapped to an ungodly pwc).Our consensus is that they can't afford it yet due to their BMWs and maxed out credit card debt left over from college days.Anyone else have a theory?
We often talk about no one under 45 around the docks or the lake(unless strapped to an ungodly pwc).Our consensus is that they can't afford it yet due to their BMWs and maxed out credit card debt left over from college days.Anyone else have a theory?
I guess I'm a youngin'
I'm 26 and have been living aboard my '85 C-30 for 5 years. But I didn't go to college. And I drive a '72 VW. I guess no house payment helps too.
I'm 26 and have been living aboard my '85 C-30 for 5 years. But I didn't go to college. And I drive a '72 VW. I guess no house payment helps too.
Its all about priority...
I was 23 when I bought my H23, still in school, and looking for a lifestyle that I could call my own away from the daily grind in Manhattan. I think holding off on making that college loan payment to the bank was a good investment in that of itself, but I do have to say that most peop;le my age are not ready to settle down with 6-7 knots...they would rather 67mph. Either which way I think I have my priorities straight, in some way shape or form/
I was 23 when I bought my H23, still in school, and looking for a lifestyle that I could call my own away from the daily grind in Manhattan. I think holding off on making that college loan payment to the bank was a good investment in that of itself, but I do have to say that most peop;le my age are not ready to settle down with 6-7 knots...they would rather 67mph. Either which way I think I have my priorities straight, in some way shape or form/
Still sailing after all this time
I'm 89 years young now and have been sailing since I was old enough to handle a tiller. My Sea Cat - Smuckers Jar, is the fastest in the area and I still race her single-handed. I sail in the gale, and eat nails and snails. When I get bored - I circumnavigate the Marina...keeps me on my toes. I sell Tuperware and Mary Kay to make a living. In the evenings I braid my beard. Probably keep goin till they hoist my anchor and cast me adrift.
I'm 89 years young now and have been sailing since I was old enough to handle a tiller. My Sea Cat - Smuckers Jar, is the fastest in the area and I still race her single-handed. I sail in the gale, and eat nails and snails. When I get bored - I circumnavigate the Marina...keeps me on my toes. I sell Tuperware and Mary Kay to make a living. In the evenings I braid my beard. Probably keep goin till they hoist my anchor and cast me adrift.
Not so Ancient Mariner
At a little less than 1/2 a century, I'm still young and active (knock teak). Some of my earliest memories are of fishing in my dad's wood skiff "Ishkabibble". I became interested in sail as a teenager, renting cats at the beach or sunfishes at the lake. I didn't get my own sailboat (a V-17) until I was in my 20's. I'm still a trailer-sailer today but I see a time when I won't want the bother of rigging and unrigging for every evening outing. I've already signed a waiting list for a slip near by. I may get a bigger boat in the future, but it'll still be a shoal boat for gunkholing around the local islands. "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" on link below. Happy sails *_/), MArk
At a little less than 1/2 a century, I'm still young and active (knock teak). Some of my earliest memories are of fishing in my dad's wood skiff "Ishkabibble". I became interested in sail as a teenager, renting cats at the beach or sunfishes at the lake. I didn't get my own sailboat (a V-17) until I was in my 20's. I'm still a trailer-sailer today but I see a time when I won't want the bother of rigging and unrigging for every evening outing. I've already signed a waiting list for a slip near by. I may get a bigger boat in the future, but it'll still be a shoal boat for gunkholing around the local islands. "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" on link below. Happy sails *_/), MArk
Sort of a New Sailor:Cam
Howdy Cam, When ya get to Fl, I am up in the Panhandle,(The Other Flawda) lotsa large bays and good Gulf Sailing round here. Prices are alot more reasonable up here than down south, lotsa good Gunkholeing spots and a 3-5 day Sail to The Keys. If ya wanna know more about the ICW in Nrt Wst Fl, drop me a e.mail and I will tell ya what I have learned in my 31 years of Sailing this area. Johnny Started when I was 10 on an O'Day 10', and have had the 'bug' ever since. sandy_sj24@yahoo.com
Howdy Cam, When ya get to Fl, I am up in the Panhandle,(The Other Flawda) lotsa large bays and good Gulf Sailing round here. Prices are alot more reasonable up here than down south, lotsa good Gunkholeing spots and a 3-5 day Sail to The Keys. If ya wanna know more about the ICW in Nrt Wst Fl, drop me a e.mail and I will tell ya what I have learned in my 31 years of Sailing this area. Johnny Started when I was 10 on an O'Day 10', and have had the 'bug' ever since. sandy_sj24@yahoo.com
Not surprized about your sailing Rob
What surprizes me is that you are cruising the internet at 89! Sailing must be keeping your mind young.
What surprizes me is that you are cruising the internet at 89! Sailing must be keeping your mind young.
Please...my brain has pitchpoled!
Hey Rob - give us a break! Sailing at 89? Ok..I will buy that one, but selling Mary K? I am going to run for congress and I want you to vote for me and then I'm going to head for the moon accompanied by my pet tumblebug aboard a horsefly. Age must have made you either dilusional or a blantant weaver of horsefeathers. What say you to that? Scuppers
Hey Rob - give us a break! Sailing at 89? Ok..I will buy that one, but selling Mary K? I am going to run for congress and I want you to vote for me and then I'm going to head for the moon accompanied by my pet tumblebug aboard a horsefly. Age must have made you either dilusional or a blantant weaver of horsefeathers. What say you to that? Scuppers
Hold the tiller you lower coxswain ya!
Hey now Jimmy Bimini or Mizzen or whatever yer handle is. I was handling a ship's wheel long before your Daddy got that gleam in his eye! I got chin hairs with more salt in em than you got in your bilge! I'll rip you from stem to stern by god! As Ernest Hemingway used to say "Don't confuse motion with action"! Yes indeedy now.
Hey now Jimmy Bimini or Mizzen or whatever yer handle is. I was handling a ship's wheel long before your Daddy got that gleam in his eye! I got chin hairs with more salt in em than you got in your bilge! I'll rip you from stem to stern by god! As Ernest Hemingway used to say "Don't confuse motion with action"! Yes indeedy now.
Still going strong
At 55, I'm in the "in-between" stage of sailing, where the "getting wet & going fast" is still fun but "sailing with my home under me" is gaining favor. I now enjoy spending time on-board, rather than the "jump in and go" thing. I'll probably retire to my O'day 30 and keep it forever. At least those are my dreams! Bill on STARGAZER
At 55, I'm in the "in-between" stage of sailing, where the "getting wet & going fast" is still fun but "sailing with my home under me" is gaining favor. I now enjoy spending time on-board, rather than the "jump in and go" thing. I'll probably retire to my O'day 30 and keep it forever. At least those are my dreams! Bill on STARGAZER
Keeping Fit and Strong
Rob, You provided me with a role-model. I just started learning how to sail at 73 and hope to keep on sailing for another 20 years. In the meantime, I try to keep fit and strong. Am a regular member of the Northern Virginia Senior Olympics since '96 ( I have won 36 medals, so far, in 10 events.) All the best to you and the other "young at heart" like us. Dante
Rob, You provided me with a role-model. I just started learning how to sail at 73 and hope to keep on sailing for another 20 years. In the meantime, I try to keep fit and strong. Am a regular member of the Northern Virginia Senior Olympics since '96 ( I have won 36 medals, so far, in 10 events.) All the best to you and the other "young at heart" like us. Dante
The End!
At age 88, it became apparent that I could no longer move around the deck as I once did. My 75 year young wife found it almost too much to run the deck and haul the jib and main and so very reluctantly we sold our beautiful boat and will ever remember the sails we made on Lake St. Clair. The lake, now down 9 inches from last year at this time, may be better without us and us without it. When we bought the boat, I was 76 years young and so aptly we named her, the "Spirit of 76". What good memories of a beautiful boat.
At age 88, it became apparent that I could no longer move around the deck as I once did. My 75 year young wife found it almost too much to run the deck and haul the jib and main and so very reluctantly we sold our beautiful boat and will ever remember the sails we made on Lake St. Clair. The lake, now down 9 inches from last year at this time, may be better without us and us without it. When we bought the boat, I was 76 years young and so aptly we named her, the "Spirit of 76". What good memories of a beautiful boat.
"Old" stays in flux
I am happy to see that at forty three, I am grouped with the young and the bold. Sometimes my back, and my eyes, and my knees,convincingly argue I'm old. My Mom once recieved a birthday card from a close family friend. The cover excitedly proclaimed "I finally fiqured out how old "old" is..." Inside the card was printed "it's ten years older than we are" The Zen meditation for this concept is " one man can not stand closer to the horizon than another ". I am happy so many older folks are responding to this topic. It gives me some hope that I may not outgrow the dream while I fiqure out how to pay for it
My wife and I purchased a 1985 C36 last year. "Mirage" is proving to be an enjoyable hobby that we can share. We do manage to get out 2or 3 times per month, and we are planning to sail to Catalina starting June 16th for three weeks. This has taken about 11 months of planning and saving. Jennifer makes minimum wage for 2 weeks only and my vacation is full pay but also for 2 weeks. Between the two of us we will be shy about three pay checks, and we will have used up all our off time for the year (not counting weekends). We are praying for good, friendly weather Our ace is our crew. Dad is a retired electrical engineer / Physics teacher. He gets paid the same no matter how long the voyage takes. If the weather really goes bad we leave the boat with Dad at some nice seaside club or harbor and take the bus back to work.
I am happy to see that at forty three, I am grouped with the young and the bold. Sometimes my back, and my eyes, and my knees,convincingly argue I'm old. My Mom once recieved a birthday card from a close family friend. The cover excitedly proclaimed "I finally fiqured out how old "old" is..." Inside the card was printed "it's ten years older than we are" The Zen meditation for this concept is " one man can not stand closer to the horizon than another ". I am happy so many older folks are responding to this topic. It gives me some hope that I may not outgrow the dream while I fiqure out how to pay for it
My wife and I purchased a 1985 C36 last year. "Mirage" is proving to be an enjoyable hobby that we can share. We do manage to get out 2or 3 times per month, and we are planning to sail to Catalina starting June 16th for three weeks. This has taken about 11 months of planning and saving. Jennifer makes minimum wage for 2 weeks only and my vacation is full pay but also for 2 weeks. Between the two of us we will be shy about three pay checks, and we will have used up all our off time for the year (not counting weekends). We are praying for good, friendly weather Our ace is our crew. Dad is a retired electrical engineer / Physics teacher. He gets paid the same no matter how long the voyage takes. If the weather really goes bad we leave the boat with Dad at some nice seaside club or harbor and take the bus back to work.MY Buddy
I am 64 and I want to have a buddy with me when sailing the work is half as hard an I enjoy the company. My nephew is my buddy and the boat belongs to him but I treat it as my own. He also likes to have help with all the chores.
I am 64 and I want to have a buddy with me when sailing the work is half as hard an I enjoy the company. My nephew is my buddy and the boat belongs to him but I treat it as my own. He also likes to have help with all the chores.
Not done sailing yet
I'm 79 and last year moved up from an Able 20 to a Catalina 27 (Osprey) for the creature comforts it offers -- standing room, enclosed head, etc. I keep Osprey in the North Channel of Lake Huron for cruising and as a cottage.
I'm 79 and last year moved up from an Able 20 to a Catalina 27 (Osprey) for the creature comforts it offers -- standing room, enclosed head, etc. I keep Osprey in the North Channel of Lake Huron for cruising and as a cottage.
Final results
Final results for the Quick Quiz ending June 1, 2003: My current age is: 56% 46-60 25% 30-45 16% Over 60 05% Under 30 1.361 owners responding
Final results for the Quick Quiz ending June 1, 2003: My current age is: 56% 46-60 25% 30-45 16% Over 60 05% Under 30 1.361 owners responding
Keep Fit and Dream-age no problem
All you guys make me feel old. Turned 70 last Feb. Bought my new 460 In 2000. My plan is to go through the Canal this winter and than up the ICW. Am I nuts? My Love just had had her hip replaced. We are going to sell the house and split. Am I just dreaming? Lots to do! Good to read about you other Duffers, I mean Luffers.
All you guys make me feel old. Turned 70 last Feb. Bought my new 460 In 2000. My plan is to go through the Canal this winter and than up the ICW. Am I nuts? My Love just had had her hip replaced. We are going to sell the house and split. Am I just dreaming? Lots to do! Good to read about you other Duffers, I mean Luffers.
75 could be my time?
This year has been quite different then last year. My walking gate has changed (slower). When jumping down my spring isn't there anymore and can throw you off the dock if I am not carefull. My brother has asked me if we can go to the upper coast of British Columbia again this August out of Bella Coola. It sure is tempting and may do that. One thing for sure I can see myself dosing at the helm under a hot sun. May have to take some snoozing now and again to help me keep on track or on top of things. This age thing is sometimes the pits and I keep pushing it aside as I still got my health and want to do so much more like sailing on my "LADY Vi"
This year has been quite different then last year. My walking gate has changed (slower). When jumping down my spring isn't there anymore and can throw you off the dock if I am not carefull. My brother has asked me if we can go to the upper coast of British Columbia again this August out of Bella Coola. It sure is tempting and may do that. One thing for sure I can see myself dosing at the helm under a hot sun. May have to take some snoozing now and again to help me keep on track or on top of things. This age thing is sometimes the pits and I keep pushing it aside as I still got my health and want to do so much more like sailing on my "LADY Vi"
MacGregor weather helm
Re: the MacGregor 23 You wrote: "We have found that in winds much over about twenty knots, it is just about impossible to tack. We have been in winds up to about 30 knots, but it is very tiring because of the weather helm and the need to jibe rather than tack." This reply may be off point, but if it can help a sailor enjoy sailing a little more, I'm sure I'll be forgiven. The MacGregor 25 was my first sailboat. That was in 1984. In 1988, I progressed to a Catalina 30 and, this year, to an Irwin 38. I celebrated my 73rd birthday a few months ago and spend every minute I can on the water. The excessive weather helm in MacGregors is caused mainly by the way the rudder is constructed. The pivot point is directly at the leading edge and the tiller is relatively short. Once the wind piped up a bit, holding a course was a struggle for me. My wife couldn't do it at all. The Catalina 30, also a tiller boat, was easily managed by either of us even in strong winds. The difference is that the Catalina has a "balanced" rudder. This means that the pivot point is behind the leading edge -- about 4 or 5 inches in this case. I didn't know about balanced rudders when I owned the MacGregor, but if I did, I would have sliced a 3 inch strip from the rounded edge of an oak stair tread, faired it with a sander to match the leading edge of the rudder, and epoxied it to the rudder making sure that there would be sufficient clearance at the transom. After the epoxy cured, I would have filled, faired, and sanded the joint and the bottom edge of the oak. Next I would have applied a layer of fiberglass cloth and resin from half way back on one side of the rudder, around the front, and half way back on the other side of the rudder. I'd have added a second layer of fiberglass cloth and resin starting and ending about an inch short of the first layer. I'd have finished up with a third layer of fiberglass and resin starting and ending about an inch short of the second layer. The theory behind a balanced rudder is that moving water striking the area that is in front of the pivot point exerts force that helps to reduce the load on the tiller. If I had made this change to the rudder of my M25, I believe that it would have been much easier to handle. But that's just my belief. Perhaps there's someone out there who can shed some additional light on the subject.
Re: the MacGregor 23 You wrote: "We have found that in winds much over about twenty knots, it is just about impossible to tack. We have been in winds up to about 30 knots, but it is very tiring because of the weather helm and the need to jibe rather than tack." This reply may be off point, but if it can help a sailor enjoy sailing a little more, I'm sure I'll be forgiven. The MacGregor 25 was my first sailboat. That was in 1984. In 1988, I progressed to a Catalina 30 and, this year, to an Irwin 38. I celebrated my 73rd birthday a few months ago and spend every minute I can on the water. The excessive weather helm in MacGregors is caused mainly by the way the rudder is constructed. The pivot point is directly at the leading edge and the tiller is relatively short. Once the wind piped up a bit, holding a course was a struggle for me. My wife couldn't do it at all. The Catalina 30, also a tiller boat, was easily managed by either of us even in strong winds. The difference is that the Catalina has a "balanced" rudder. This means that the pivot point is behind the leading edge -- about 4 or 5 inches in this case. I didn't know about balanced rudders when I owned the MacGregor, but if I did, I would have sliced a 3 inch strip from the rounded edge of an oak stair tread, faired it with a sander to match the leading edge of the rudder, and epoxied it to the rudder making sure that there would be sufficient clearance at the transom. After the epoxy cured, I would have filled, faired, and sanded the joint and the bottom edge of the oak. Next I would have applied a layer of fiberglass cloth and resin from half way back on one side of the rudder, around the front, and half way back on the other side of the rudder. I'd have added a second layer of fiberglass cloth and resin starting and ending about an inch short of the first layer. I'd have finished up with a third layer of fiberglass and resin starting and ending about an inch short of the second layer. The theory behind a balanced rudder is that moving water striking the area that is in front of the pivot point exerts force that helps to reduce the load on the tiller. If I had made this change to the rudder of my M25, I believe that it would have been much easier to handle. But that's just my belief. Perhaps there's someone out there who can shed some additional light on the subject.
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