again with the Walnut

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Dec 25, 2008
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catalina 310 Elk River
I would have to disagree about the warping especially in a moisture laden environment. My experience with the wood suggests otherwise. I'm not siting some printed material, only my direct experience.
I would like to understand what is in the Juglone (this is what makes your hands turn black when you handle it). What is the oil content and how does it compare with teak?
 
Jun 16, 2010
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Lancer 25 Newbergh
I guess if you think if you spout long enough it will be true! Are you challenged in some way? I read what you sighting and still do not see any thing about EXTIERIOR usage.
What I have asked for is simple I even made it easyer for you but in the end the bottom line is the word "EXTIERIOR"If it dont say it it aint so
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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I don't believe that there is any oil in walnut. Water will wet a freshly machined surface with almost no beading all glues adhere readily and well. Teak needs regular oiling to stay repellant. The primary advantage to teak is the it is not slippery when it is wet unless it has been varnished and the it is the varnish that is slippery.
Some wood species will always warp sweet gum being notorious. That wood will pull thw nails out and if you turn it over and renail it it will curl the other way. The ends of gum will rot off if they stay wet but the rot doesn't infect the whole board.
 
Aug 2, 2005
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pearson ariel grand rapids

How about I’ll lower the bar for you show me a major yacht manufacture that uses walnut on the exterior of a hull as either as a structural component or as a trim.


I really doubt you'll find that example. Simply because Walnut would not be a strong selling point in advertising. What sells is teak and mahogany, not walnut or oak, or any of the other woods that have been used in boat building.

Don't have time to browse ads right now, but I've seen many references to 'teak finish' (often a way to call laminate something other than laminate), teak veneer, etc.
You won't find walnut, because for good walnut a manufacturer would have nearly the same costs, without the common appeal of teak.
You could have the best and most expensive marine wood possible, and many buyers would consider it inferior simply because they 'know' teak is the best marine lumber.

Ken.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
I really doubt you'll find that example. Simply because Walnut would not be a strong selling point in advertising. What sells is teak and mahogany, not walnut or oak, or any of the other woods that have been used in boat building.

Don't have time to browse ads right now, but I've seen many references to 'teak finish' (often a way to call laminate something other than laminate), teak veneer, etc.
You won't find walnut, because for good walnut a manufacturer would have nearly the same costs, without the common appeal of teak.
You could have the best and most expensive marine wood possible, and many buyers would consider it inferior simply because they 'know' teak is the best marine lumber.

Ken.
Public ignorance is also a factor. The amount of knowledge that most people have can be summed up by a statement made by one of my uncles woodworking friends, He said,"I know two kinds of wood pine and not pine". The variety of domestic hardwoods that are in demand all over the world is astonishing. Remember American oak in Europe is an exotic species. Here most wood workers don't know the difference between cherrybark oak and pin oak, but our ancestors did and they made the distinction when they selected wood for a project.
The reading of the wood species used in wagon construction is an education.
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Dec 1, 1999
2,391
Hunter 28.5 Chesapeake Bay
I often refer conversationally to the "Deacon's One Hoss Shay." I often get blank stares in return. But then, I often get blank stares anyway.

BTW, the Deacon tied his horse to the shay using a bowline... It, too, lasted 100 years.:eek:
 
May 23, 2004
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I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
Wow....Just Wow.

Give me Fiberglass and Stainless Steel any day. Teake looks nice but it is a PAIN IN THE ARSE. Any wood requires more maintenance!
 
Jul 1, 2007
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hunter 29.5 Nanaimo BC
I have seen walnut fenceposts in ont canada, when I used to work on farms as a kid.
The farmers used what they grew.
Did not know it was poisonous for horses though.
is that exterior enough.
 
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