Advice please on this 1977 22' Catalina Sailboat

[Gail Marie]

Hello,

Please find photos of a 1977 22' Catalina Sailboat, Hull #7705 in ok to poor condition. I wish to restore. It is a pop top with a galley slide, all foam cushions and sails in good condition. Rigging will need to be replaced it appears.

Issues I have not seen before are: (INSIDE) 1) A "cork" in the cabin floor just before the V-berth entrance in the floor?, I have never seen this on any boat before?, 2) Concern of water found aboard on the port and starboard side areas under the storage areas. Boat has been sitting on trailer now for 2 years. (OUTSIDE) 3) on the cockpit floor and side walls - how does one take off a bad kelvar floor patch combined with patches and splashes of fiberglass resin left all over the floor and sides when installed? and why would one do a patch on a cockpit floor area so large in the first place?, 4) why the hole below the waterline, on the center of the stern, behind the rudder?

Thank you in advance for your advice on what these photos are showing. This forum has been great to learn from. We have a slip which allows up to a 22' sailboat and as I am 6', 1" and its just my wife, Gail Marie and our rescue lab, four year old "Annie" sailing, we have been finding the pop up top model on the Catalina 22' great to find and also like the design overall vs. others so far. Also just talked to Phil, owner of this site and store in Seattle, WA. Very helpful! "Nice to talk Phil and thank you for the warm welcome!"

 

[Gail Marie]

Here is the cork in the floor photo

Hello,

Please find photos of a 1977 22' Catalina Sailboat, Hull #7705 in ok to poor condition. I wish to restore. It is a pop top with a galley slide, all foam cushions and sails in good condition. Rigging will need to be replaced it appears.

Issues I have not seen before are: (INSIDE) 1) A "cork" in the cabin floor just before the V-berth entrance in the floor?, I have never seen this on any boat before?, 2) Concern of water found aboard on the port and starboard side areas under the storage areas. Boat has been sitting on trailer now for 2 years. (OUTSIDE) 3) on the cockpit floor and side walls - how does one take off a bad kelvar floor patch combined with patches and splashes of fiberglass resin left all over the floor and sides when installed? and why would one do a patch on a cockpit floor area so large in the first place?, 4) why the hole below the waterline, on the center of the stern, behind the rudder?

Thank you in advance for your advice on what these photos are showing. This forum has been great to learn from. We have a slip which allows up to a 22' sailboat and as I am 6', 1" and its just my wife, Gail Marie and our rescue lab, four year old "Annie" sailing, we have been finding the pop up top model on the Catalina 22' great to find and also like the design overall vs. others so far. Also just talked to Phil, owner of this site and store in Seattle, WA. Very helpful! "Nice to talk Phil and thank you for the warm welcome!"

 

[Gail Marie]

And here are the other photos...

Hello,

Please find photos of a 1977 22' Catalina Sailboat, Hull #7705 in ok to poor condition. I wish to restore. It is a pop top with a galley slide, all foam cushions and sails in good condition. Rigging will need to be replaced it appears.

Issues I have not seen before are: (INSIDE) 1) A "cork" in the cabin floor just before the V-berth entrance in the floor?, I have never seen this on any boat before?, 2) Concern of water found aboard on the port and starboard side areas under the storage areas. Boat has been sitting on trailer now for 2 years. (OUTSIDE) 3) on the cockpit floor and side walls - how does one take off a bad kelvar floor patch combined with patches and splashes of fiberglass resin left all over the floor and sides when installed? and why would one do a patch on a cockpit floor area so large in the first place?, 4) why the hole below the waterline, on the center of the stern, behind the rudder?

Thank you in advance for your advice on what these photos are showing. This forum has been great to learn from. We have a slip which allows up to a 22' sailboat and as I am 6', 1" and its just my wife, Gail Marie and our rescue lab, four year old "Annie" sailing, we have been finding the pop up top model on the Catalina 22' great to find and also like the design overall vs. others so far. Also just talked to Phil, owner of this site and store in Seattle, WA. Very helpful! "Nice to talk Phil and thank you for the warm welcome!"

 

[Gail Marie]

Try again to upload photos - here are water on board photos...

Hello,

Please find photos of a 1977 22' Catalina Sailboat, Hull #7705 in ok to poor condition. I wish to restore. It is a pop top with a galley slide, all foam cushions and sails in good condition. Rigging will need to be replaced it appears.

Issues I have not seen before are: (INSIDE) 1) A "cork" in the cabin floor just before the V-berth entrance in the floor?, I have never seen this on any boat before?, 2) Concern of water found aboard on the port and starboard side areas under the storage areas. Boat has been sitting on trailer now for 2 years. (OUTSIDE) 3) on the cockpit floor and side walls - how does one take off a bad kelvar floor patch combined with patches and splashes of fiberglass resin left all over the floor and sides when installed? and why would one do a patch on a cockpit floor area so large in the first place?, 4) why the hole below the waterline, on the center of the stern, behind the rudder?

Thank you in advance for your advice on what these photos are showing. This forum has been great to learn from. We have a slip which allows up to a 22' sailboat and as I am 6', 1" and its just my wife, Gail Marie and our rescue lab, four year old "Annie" sailing, we have been finding the pop up top model on the Catalina 22' great to find and also like the design overall vs. others so far. Also just talked to Phil, owner of this site and store in Seattle, WA. Very helpful! "Nice to talk Phil and thank you for the warm welcome!"

 

[Gail Marie]

Learning this site...here are some more photos...

 

[Gail Marie]

And the hole under the stern / rudder...

 

[Gail Marie]

Thank all in advance for advice.

With these photos, trying to get advice in a nut shell on fixing cockpit of the mess from the patch job and resin all on the floor and sides...do you simply grind down to get off? Has anyone ever seen a cork in a cabin floor before? and what was hole below the waterline on the lower stern behind the rudder most likely for? and should it be covered up as well?

 

[Faris]

Hi,

I'm not familiar with this boat directly, but have owned and sailed similar boats. The cork was added by a previous owner and is not "stock". Many boats of this size have something along this line with a rubber stopper which separates bilge water from the cabin, yet still affording access to the bilge.

The hole in the transom: Chances are there is a plug (possibly threaded) or valve which is missing. The boat is designed to be trailered, and at the end of the day when the boat is on the trailer, this plug/valve is opened to allow any water to drain out. C-22 owners can be more specific about this, but that's what it appears to be. Some people permanently (or semi-permanently) seal those holes (to prevent accidentally launching with it open), and just expel the water some other way.

The water on-board: I wouldn't worry about that just yet. Sitting on a trailer, a boat will tend to take on some water (from precipitation) which, if left unattended, generally doesn't have any good way of getting off of the boat. You may (probably do) have leaks on the deck and/or in the cockpit, but you won't be able to get a good sense of what and where without getting her clean and dry at least once. Also, you're going to want to rebed ALL of the deck hardware, so that should address any/most leaks above the water line.

The cockpit floor: That's a bit of a job if you don't have experience working with fiberglass, but doable. I would take a careful look at the hull below that repair job to make sure something didn't penetrate both. Seems unlikely, but possible. At any rate, if the repair seems structurally sound and just aesthetically ... challenged, then consider simply glassing over the existing repair to fix it cosmetically.

 

[Joe]

Have you put the boat in the water yet? That may answer a lot of questions. I'd get a drain plug for the hole in the transom. Look in the lazarette.. maybe it's lying around and you haven't seen it yet. http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wc...51_10001_442311_-1____ProductDisplayErrorView

 

[CaptGregg]

Fellow Owner of a 1977 Catalina 22 Hull # 7352 non-pop top

Hello,

Please find photos of a 1977 22' Catalina Sailboat, Hull #7705 in ok to poor condition. I wish to restore. It is a pop top with a galley slide, all foam cushions and sails in good condition. Rigging will need to be replaced it appears.

Issues I have not seen before are: (INSIDE) 1) A "cork" in the cabin floor just before the V-berth entrance in the floor?, I have never seen this on any boat before?, 2) Concern of water found aboard on the port and starboard side areas under the storage areas. Boat has been sitting on trailer now for 2 years. (OUTSIDE) 3) on the cockpit floor and side walls - how does one take off a bad kelvar floor patch combined with patches and splashes of fiberglass resin left all over the floor and sides when installed? and why would one do a patch on a cockpit floor area so large in the first place?, 4) why the hole below the waterline, on the center of the stern, behind the rudder?

Thank you in advance for your advice on what these photos are showing. This forum has been great to learn from. We have a slip which allows up to a 22' sailboat and as I am 6', 1" and its just my wife, Gail Marie and our rescue lab, four year old "Annie" sailing, we have been finding the pop up top model on the Catalina 22' great to find and also like the design overall vs. others so far. Also just talked to Phil, owner of this site and store in Seattle, WA. Very helpful! "Nice to talk Phil and thank you for the warm welcome!"

Hey Gail Marie,

Located here in NC close to the coast, I acquired my C22 from an gentleman in Virginia, mine is not nearly in the shape your vessel is in. I do not believe the hole with the wine bottle cork is standard "from the factory". It's probably something a previous owner did to drain the forward area so the water could be scooped, sponged or pumped out.

Water below decks could be from rain water running down the rail into the scuppers on the port side, it's not hard to understand if it's been on a trailer.

The cockpit floor from what I can see appears to be a bad patch job. It may also be a water source for your bilge. Fill the cockpit floor with water and watch what happens below. It may need just a good sanding and painting over, or it may need to be removed and re-patched.

Visit my profile to see pics of my 77, it was not the most well cared for and it's still a work in progress.

At this minute, my boat is stranded in Washington, NC where the axle broke on that sorry trailer that came with it . I've removed the axle and am having it re-aligned and welded; I'm not replacing that axle until after I get it home and make the decision to keep this trailer or acquire a galvanized model.

 

[jrowan]

Gail,
I hope that you are not paying a lot of money, that is $1,000 or less for a C 22 in that bad condition. I don't think I've ever seen a cockpit in worse condition, & I've owned, sailed & seen a lot of sailboats. Most repairs are not made with Kevlar, which is very expensive & literally bulletproof material. That patch job was made with a crap-slurry of fiberglass, caulking & whatever junk that fella had on hand to patch a rotted cockpit sole. The best test of a cockpit floor is to walk all around the perimeter & do a little dance & jump to see if it gives way or excessively flexes. If the balsa, or marine plywood core material has rotted it will bounce like a trampoline under foot. If so, it will have to be cut out & then replace the core material & reglass the surface. An Expensive job, & not recommended for a novice. I would check real hard at the deck for rot around all deck penetrations at fittings, chain plates, bulkheads, etc. If its a swing keel, then U need to thoroughly inspect the swing keel pivot pinion, cable, volcanoe tube, & winch for rust & corrosion. A 1977 model used a lot of mild steel instaed of stainless which corrodes badly by now. Replace all original gate valves & potential leak/ sinking sources, ie: rust clamps & worn hoses. Sometimes I laugh & think that Frank Butler must have never imagined or designed these boats to be around 35 + years later, but most of 'em are still kicking around! Some just in much worse shape then others. PS. If you're paying more then 1 k I would consider buying a boat in better condition. It will save U a lot of time, aggravation & many $$ when trying to refit a worn out 35 year old boat. Good luck & tell us what U decide to do.

 

[jrowan]

pps. I wasn't sure of whether or not that was a picture of a sailboat cockpit or a pig's feeding trough! Just kidding. lol. Good luck with that one pal.

 

[GorillaToast]

That hole being plugged by the wine cork is not from the factory. It was put there by a PO to allow draining of the inaccessible space under the head floor, just aft of the v-berth. Water collecting in there could be from many places including a crack in the keel trunk, or around the keel hangers. Very difficult to find the source of the water. I know, I'm dealing with that problem now.

If you can get a professional to take a look at it, that would be best.

Google "Catalina keel trunk repair"

Good luck