260 Winches
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there are blue rubber rings called "wincher self tailers" WM has them at $53 pr. Defender probably cheaper, E-Bay cheaper yet. You need several wraps to get the sheets up to the bottom of the rings, then a half circle in the groove. They work fine if you do that. Cheaper would be a jam cleat.
I single hand almost exclusively. It is rare that I ever need more than a single turn around the winches. The main goes up without using the winch. The jib is not big enough to need much when tacking. Timing the cut and getting the trim right before the jib fills helps too.
When the wind strength becomes an issue, I point up to de-power before trimming.
When the wind strength becomes an issue, I point up to de-power before trimming.
I found the factory winch and jam cleat required 3 hands to trim the jib so I installed a pair of Andersen selftailing winches on my 260.
They work well and I am quite pleased with the upgrade, they allow one handed jib trimming. I bought the all stainless steel model.
These Andersen winches bolt right on. They are a bit bigger than the original ones but they fit well and do not look oversized.
Bob
They work well and I am quite pleased with the upgrade, they allow one handed jib trimming. I bought the all stainless steel model.
These Andersen winches bolt right on. They are a bit bigger than the original ones but they fit well and do not look oversized.
Bob
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Hello Dave,
Thanks for the advice. I guess after sailing 35 thousand nautical miles around the world last year as skipper of an 85" open maxi race yacht getting back to sail my little 260 is nice.
We always load at least three turns on a winch often more with big loads. One turn on a winch even on a small yacht like the 260 isn't such a good idea.
I want self tailing cos one hand for the boat one for me. Can't do that without self tailing winches. The idea of rope clutches and so forth even on a small yacht is not smart when handling sheets. In fact dangerous.
Thanks for the advice. I guess after sailing 35 thousand nautical miles around the world last year as skipper of an 85" open maxi race yacht getting back to sail my little 260 is nice.
We always load at least three turns on a winch often more with big loads. One turn on a winch even on a small yacht like the 260 isn't such a good idea.
I want self tailing cos one hand for the boat one for me. Can't do that without self tailing winches. The idea of rope clutches and so forth even on a small yacht is not smart when handling sheets. In fact dangerous.
There was no real viable upgrade for our stock Lewmar winches so after adding a nice sized gennaker I bit the bullet last season and put two new Lewmar ST winches onboard. It was way over due and they make life so easy I wish I had one for all of the sheets
. Here's a link for our choice. Have a great season M&K
http://www.mauriprosailing.com/Lewmar-Ocean-Self-Tailing-Winches-14-48/LEW49014000.html
So Yachtsman, How was sailing on that 85" maxi boat, tight I'd imagine All typos aside how could you go back to a 260 after that?
. Here's a link for our choice. Have a great season M&Khttp://www.mauriprosailing.com/Lewmar-Ocean-Self-Tailing-Winches-14-48/LEW49014000.html
So Yachtsman, How was sailing on that 85" maxi boat, tight I'd imagine
All typos aside how could you go back to a 260 after that?Clutch danger
"The idea of rope clutches and so forth even on a small yacht is not smart when handling sheets. In fact dangerous"
Why is this ?
"The idea of rope clutches and so forth even on a small yacht is not smart when handling sheets. In fact dangerous"
Why is this ?
I had the same question as quoddy. I'm not sure if yachtsman meant just the kind of rope clutch that has the lever that locks down, or also jam cleats? I would think jam cleats without fairleads would be safe, in fact safer than horn cleats?
Re: Clutch danger
Well you can load a sheet and cleat, jam or what ever but the problem is if someone releases it when under load good luck. The sheet will more than likely rip fingers off or at least burn hands. Absolutely no control of the sheet. Of course on the maxis we jam halyards and reef lines but never sheets.
To safely unload the weight on a jammer you need to load a winch to take up the load. Then release the jammer and then ease on the winch. Try doing this when the heat is on.
Well you can load a sheet and cleat, jam or what ever but the problem is if someone releases it when under load good luck. The sheet will more than likely rip fingers off or at least burn hands. Absolutely no control of the sheet. Of course on the maxis we jam halyards and reef lines but never sheets.
To safely unload the weight on a jammer you need to load a winch to take up the load. Then release the jammer and then ease on the winch. Try doing this when the heat is on.
Well Soling42 skippering a yacht of that size, value and so forth has a lot of pressure let alone the management of the crew. You have to be the weather forecaster, psychologist, mediator, navigator, chef, repair master, manager, surgeon. The list is endless.
Of course sailing the Caribbean with the trade winds in your hair is lovely. Sailing the Southern Ocean up in the 50's and 60's is tough going. Dodging icebergs and negotiating Cabo De Hornus is not easy let alone the challenges of keeping a crew motivated, positive and "in order" when in foreign countries. Oh and the customs entries and clearances. You do it all when you are the skipper of a yacht like this.
Give me my little 260 anytime. Three sheets and two halyards. Nothing else to worry about and home every night to a warm bed and a lovely meal!!
Of course sailing the Caribbean with the trade winds in your hair is lovely. Sailing the Southern Ocean up in the 50's and 60's is tough going. Dodging icebergs and negotiating Cabo De Hornus is not easy let alone the challenges of keeping a crew motivated, positive and "in order" when in foreign countries. Oh and the customs entries and clearances. You do it all when you are the skipper of a yacht like this.
Give me my little 260 anytime. Three sheets and two halyards. Nothing else to worry about and home every night to a warm bed and a lovely meal!!
Mike, where did you mount the new winches for the gennaker ? cockpit coaming ? did you add a turning block for the sheets ?There was no real viable upgrade for our stock Lewmar winches so after adding a nice sized gennaker I bit the bullet last season and put two new Lewmar ST winches onboard. It was way over due and they make life so easy I wish I had one for all of the sheets
http://www.mauriprosailing.com/Lewmar-Ocean-Self-Tailing-Winches-14-48/LEW49014000.html
So Yachtsman, How was sailing on that 85" maxi boat, tight I'd imagine
Bob
Hi Mark
About time you got back in touch with your H260... She has missed you.
Back when, I installed Lewmar 16ST in place of the original winches. Loved the self tailing...
About time you got back in touch with your H260...
She has missed you.Back when, I installed Lewmar 16ST in place of the original winches. Loved the self tailing...
Bob, I simply mounted them as direct replacements for the orig winches on the cabin roof(with new mounting holes and bolted through from underneath). I added two blocks on the lowest and most fwd part of the port/stbd rail. I also added a small block on the stanchion immediately next to the winch so the cockpit seating is clear of lines. Would've been more convenient to have the winches back by the helm but Kelli would pitch a fit if I did that, and now I can sit back and have her grind away. Here's a youtube link showing the cockpit layout and a pic below showing the Garhauer block on a nylon strap at the rear rail. I'll get better pix tonight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv-67SM5qGc
Yachtsman, like most sailors we are all tempted with "bigger is better" but I hear many sailors who've been there and would agree with you on keeping it simple. I constantly swing from the thought to either sell my 260 and upgrade or just to keep it economical and simple. It really is a perfect boat for our laid back sailing style and shallow Fl waters. I especially like the idea of bringing it home to tinker or avoid storm damage so I guess it's a keeper.
My sarcastic remark regarding how tight it might have felt was only about your typo using an inch symbol instead of feet to describe your recent sailboat experience. I'm incredibly jealous of what you've done and I'm no one to talk about typos while I type with two fingers....
Have a great season down under. Mike
. Here's a youtube link showing the cockpit layout and a pic below showing the Garhauer block on a nylon strap at the rear rail. I'll get better pix tonight.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv-67SM5qGc
Yachtsman, like most sailors we are all tempted with "bigger is better" but I hear many sailors who've been there and would agree with you on keeping it simple. I constantly swing from the thought to either sell my 260 and upgrade or just to keep it economical and simple. It really is a perfect boat for our laid back sailing style and shallow Fl waters. I especially like the idea of bringing it home to tinker or avoid storm damage so I guess it's a keeper.
My sarcastic remark regarding how tight it might have felt was only about your typo using an inch symbol instead of feet to describe your recent sailboat experience. I'm incredibly jealous of what you've done and I'm no one to talk about typos while I type with two fingers
.... Have a great season down under. Mike
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Bill,
Thanks for reminder on the winchers. I have seen them meantioned before, and finally got a set for my 23.5. They seem to work well. I peviously just used the existing jam cleats. That was ok too, but this is a nice improvement. Cheaper and easier than fitting spinlocks and I see no way they could potentially jam or fail.
Scott
Thanks for reminder on the winchers. I have seen them meantioned before, and finally got a set for my 23.5. They seem to work well. I peviously just used the existing jam cleats. That was ok too, but this is a nice improvement. Cheaper and easier than fitting spinlocks and I see no way they could potentially jam or fail.
Scott
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