2017 Domestic Boat of the Year

[jssailem]

@Will Gilmore ” Thy cup turnth over !“

 

[Will Gilmore]

@Will Gilmore ” Thy cup turnth over !“

Ha ha ha, that's what I typed but the "spiel chance" changed it on me and I hadn't noticed
- Will (Dragonfly)

 

[RoyS]

Consider the straight drop stem in our Boat of the Year and most other newer design boats. Without a long bow roller there is no way to retrieve an anchor without damaging the bow. Once you add the long roller to protect your bow this becomes part of the overall boat length that you pay your marina to dock your boat. For the next forty years you pay, say $150 a foot, or 300$ to park your bow roller in your marina. In my opinion, the boat (for a given overall length) would be more attractive, more practical, and have more storage space if the bow had a graceful entry. I understand waterline length and boat theoretical speed.

 

[Will Gilmore]

So, you either pay for a longer boat or you lose waterline length, which is, effectively, a shorter boat. What we endure for beauty
Since I believe beauty is that which makes anything worth anything, it's not a bad position to take.

Maybe there are anchoring systems that work around that problem.
- Will (Dragonfly)

 

[Allowishish]

what about a flip out or swing around bow roller? then you get the shorter length with the performance of a longer water line and don't have to pay more at the marina. AND the flip out/swing out keeps the bow for anchor damage...


Personally I have always liked performance that looks good at the same time. But I like having my cake and eating it too.

 

[Sumner]

I wonder how many people that can afford these new boats think about the difference in docking rates with the longer bow?

Sumner

 

[Roland5048]

Not to be a smart a$$, or any kinda a$$, but if I could afford a new boat the extra dock charge would be irrelevant I would think. Just sayin'.

 

[jssailem]

I like having my cake and eating it too.

That must be why your avatar has you flying in a kayak down a water fall...

 

[Will Gilmore]

if I could afford a new boat the extra dock charge would be irrelevant

I'm not sure there are many people who ignore a monthly charge in the range Roy has pointed out. Sometimes I feel like every cent we have gets sucked out by only $5/mo for this, $5/mo for that. I'm being nickelled to death.
- Will (Dragonfly)

 

[agprice22]

Retractable anchor roller? Or, how did the plumb bow warships of the past do it? Their anchors were drawn to the side of the bow. Surely someone could figure out how to do that with a sailboat. I see some difficulties, but nothing a little designing couldn’t overcome. For instance, an anchor hanging on the side of the hull would catch the water if a wave hits it. So put a clamshell-like fairing in front of it. Or, the hole for the rode and anchor shank would have to go into the hull, so make that space a wet deck space or even an anchor locker. Don’t like the idea of openings in the hull? We have open transoms in blue water sailboats, and we have openings for dinghies and small powerboats in the sides of yachts. They may not be wet decks, but the concept works.
The anchor could also fit into a space faired into the hull. That might limit the anchors that would fit into the space, but maybe different shaped capsules could be made and purchased.

Just some ideas...

 

[Jackdaw]

I think this is quite incorrect. Hinckley just introduced the new Bermuda 50 in 2015. They continue to make the Daysailer 42.

While it may certainly be true that they don't build these to an inventory, but just because they don't have a yard full of units ready to be sold doesn't mean they don't build them. The same is so for Morris, another high-end maker acquired by Hinckley, and also Little Harbor, also acquired by Hinckley.

I'm sure if you give them a call, Jack, they will build a sailboat for you!

LOL I'm sure they will!

While Hinckley has never been a production boat builder, their current build numbers are abysmal for a sailboat yard. If it were not for powerboats and their service business, they would be gone. The 50, they have built exactly TWO, both in 2015, and they would not start building the first until they found another buyer to share the mold cost. None since. A shame, it a nice boat.

Same with the DS42, as you note glorious to look at and all high tech. Love it. But hardly any takers.

 

[Sumner]

I'm not sure there are many people who ignore a monthly charge in the range Roy has pointed out..

You, I and probably everyone else who is reading this are aware of monthly charges. The boat that started this thread sells for $263,000 for starters, probably over $300,000 by the time you add on the rest of what you want. I'm just saying people that will spend $300,000 and probably much more aren't too concerned with the difference that 3 feet of additional length will amount to in slip fees every month. Maybe a few but not many I'll bet,

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[Jackdaw]

You, I and probably everyone else who is reading this are aware of monthly charges. The boat that started this thread sells for $263,000 for starters, probably over $300,000 by the time you add on the rest of what you want. I'm just saying people that will spend $300,000 and probably much more aren't too concerned with the difference that 3 feet of additional length will amount to in slip fees every month. Maybe a few but not many I'll bet,

True.

 

[jviss]

But hardly any takers.

I wonder how many they've built. At around $1M, they don't have to sell a ton, I guess. This one was started around 2003 or 2004, I think. I know the built at least 2 in 2015, and I'm aware of a 52 foot version custom-built for one customer.

 

[Allowishish]

You, I and probably everyone else who is reading this are aware of monthly charges. The boat that started this thread sells for $263,000 for starters, probably over $300,000 by the time you add on the rest of what you want. I'm just saying people that will spend $300,000 and probably much more aren't too concerned with the difference that 3 feet of additional length will amount to in slip fees every month. Maybe a few but not many I'll bet,

Sumner

While the wife and I are just starting out, that is close to the price range we are anticipating for our "be all end all" boat and I can assure you that we are aware the difference in slip cost. Hence we will be looking at the smallest boat that we can comfortable live on.

I promise you that whether buying an $8k boat or a $250K boat you still have a budget.



That said I have a friend who's family bought a 50 foot Jeanneau because it was less of a wait/no wait to get a slip at their local marina. So they traded in a year or two old 44 footer.

 

[gettinthere]

many marinas charge by the foot based on the hull length not LOA. I have a 42 and I cruise full time so I hit a variety of marinas and 90% charge me for 42' even though my overall length from my extended bow pulpit to my dink on the davit is around 49'.

 

[gettinthere]

Retractable anchor? Dufour 500. Cue up to 1:25 in the video to the point where it is shown...

 

[Will Gilmore]

I love that boat. And, why the heck not do that with your anchor roller?
- Will (Dragonfly)

 

[RoyS]

That folding bow roller appears to be a good solution.

 

[sailnoproblem]

While the wife and I are just starting out, that is close to the price range we are anticipating for our "be all end all" boat and I can assure you that we are aware the difference in slip cost. Hence we will be looking at the smallest boat that we can comfortable live on.

I promise you that whether buying an $8k boat or a $250K boat you still have a budget.
There is quite a big difference between a 8K and a 250K boat budget! I can guarantee that the individual with a 8K boat is more concerned with a marina dock fee.


That said I have a friend who's family bought a 50 foot Jeanneau because it was less of a wait/no wait to get a slip at their local marina. So they traded in a year or two old 44 footer.