2005 9.9 Mercury 2 Stroke outboard oil discharge?

[abk]

The hole is on the bottom of the engine above the gear housing. It is not the gear oil screws. It's just a small hole. It is 2 stroke oil.

Your are so correct, A decent guy would have done that. But they wouldn't have got paid the $130. I like the comment from the person who probably is a dealer stated that I asked for him to check it so he was "obligated" to pull the lower end and check it on my request.

I assume they full well knew that it was a normal situation and could have advised me of it.

Another sad thing is why doesn't the Merc manual address this "common condition?"

It was worth the buck 30 for a clear conscience... but it seems to me that now it was totally unneeded.

By the way, they made me wait 3 days for nothing too! So much for my week sat aside to sail...

A little pissed of here...

 

[abk]

Normal oil discharge now costs $130 for diagnosos...

ABK. Please get a manual on 2-strokes and read it. The oil atomizes with the gas in the carb, is sucked into the crankcase case where it is compressed by te desending piston and pushed into the cyclinder. Some of the oil condenses in the crankcase and drains out. This is a NORMAL polution source from 2-strokes and is a part of why they are no longer available in the US.

As for a $130 charge, he spent shop time on it and had to put it in a tank. I don't see the problem. If you had explained what you saw, he should have suggested it was normal, but if you wanted him to check, he had to confirm it was not the lower unit.

I asked for him to check it so he was "obligated" to pull the lower end and check it on my request.

I assume they full well knew that it was a normal situation and could have advised me of it.

Another sad thing is why doesn't the Merc manual address this "common condition?"

It was worth the buck 30 for a clear conscience... but it seems to me that now it was totally unneeded.

By the way, they made me wait 3 days for nothing too! So much for my week set aside to sail...

A little pissed of here...

Thanks for the dealer justification, I needed that...

 

[abk]

Haha! I won't touch that one!! In the manual, does it have an internal diagram that maybe shows another, possibly an internal, view of the hole that might give you some clues? Can you see the hole from the inside when you take off the cowling? Where on the motor is the hole?

Photo of the "hole"

 

[Tsatzsue]

That hole is to drain any liquid from the exhaust housing of the motor when it is pulled or tipped up and out of the water. Prevents freezing damage and drains evrything from the lower unit including unburnt oil. I have spent a lot of time looking into my ooze on my 9.9 Sailmaster. Same thing. You just hae to wipe it off. Looks nasty when it comes off in the water. The long shaft may have something to do with it. I think the vapor condenses (oil precipitaes out) more because more metal surface is exposed to the cool water.

 

[abk]

Thanks to everyone for responding. I learned to ask about any problems here FIRST, for sure.

 

[sailaway78]

Not to worry

I think that is a 50:1 engine. After break in and running it hard should improve a lot. I found in my little Suzy that the synthetic oils do better, but all will do this to some extent, and is worse if you run it slow.

 

[jviss]

This is a NORMAL polution source from 2-strokes and is a part of why they are no longer available in the US.

FYI, Evinrude E-Tec engines are 2-stroke and currently available in the U.S. They have cleaner exhaust emissions than 4-strokes, and produce much less CO when idling or trolling.

 

[abk]

E tec by evinrude

FYI, Evinrude E-Tec engines are 2-stroke and currently available in the U.S. They have cleaner exhaust emissions than 4-strokes, and produce much less CO when idling or trolling.

Interesting info on the E Tec. I just bought this engine and I am not really
Interested in making another purchase purchase presently. I only use the iron sail to get in and out of a slip. The engine I retired was 28 years old and still functioning when I retired it. Most Sailboat engines do not see a lot of use.

 

[jviss]

Re: E tec by evinrude

I think the smallest E-Tec is 15HP, costs $4,000 and weighs 175 lb. - so probably not a good substitute for the deal you got! Seriously, you got a great deal on what I think is a great motor. I have two 15HP Merc 2-strokes, which are nearly identical to our 9.9, same family, same service manual, etc. For simplicity, reliability, and horsepower to weight, they can't be beat.

One thing you should watch, since your motor is "new old stock," is that the tank may be adversely affected by ethanol in the gas: the pickup tube will shrink and air leaks will develop, and it will eventually fall off inside the tank. This happened to mine (and many others) and causes no end of headaches.

 

[anchorclanker]

One good gulp of water and these modern fuel injected engines can be in for a very expensive trip to the mechanic. Not quite as simple as draining the carb and firing it back up.

If the Dealer who charged you $130 to tell you where the oil was coming from, is the same dealer who sold it, shame on them. Even if he isnt, he could have gone the extra mile toward earning a new customer by simply spending 10 minutes to educate you. Unfortunately, those kinds of dealers are becoming fewer and fewer. Customer service seems to have a reversed meaning these days. The dealers forgot that they are to service the customer, not the other way around.

 

[abk]

thanks for your reply on the alcohol fuel tank problem.

I think the smallest E-Tec is 15HP, costs $4,000 and weighs 175 lb. - so probably not a good substitute for the deal you got! Seriously, you got a great deal on what I think is a great motor. I have two 15HP Merc 2-strokes, which are nearly identical to our 9.9, same family, same service manual, etc. For simplicity, reliability, and horsepower to weight, they can't be beat.

One thing you should watch, since your motor is "new old stock," is that the tank may be adversely affected by ethanol in the gas: the pickup tube will shrink and air leaks will develop, and it will eventually fall off inside the tank. This happened to mine (and many others) and causes no end of headaches.

How long do you think it would take for the problem to develop? Maybe I should just go get a new tank. It did come with a 3 1/2 gallon tank unused as the engine was unused also.
Also, I always like the simplicity of the two cycle engine. No crankcase, no cam, timing chain, no oil sump, no oil pump etc. etc. etc. a simple great design.

My friend just bought a 3 1/2 hp Torqueedo electric engine. it's really not suitable for my needs. I sail the coastal waters of New Jersey and I do need that power of more than 3 1/2 hp. Batteries scare me anyway. Even with the meter you really never know how much is left although this model says it will track the exact usage and hours left to travel.

He sails on lake and this engine will suit him just fine. He also taught me that simpler is better. And that really rings true. That's why I like two-stroke engines. Thanks for your reply and information

 

[abk]

Reply

One good gulp of water and these modern fuel injected engines can be in for a very expensive trip to the mechanic. Not quite as simple as draining the carb and firing it back up.

If the Dealer who charged you $130 to tell you where the oil was coming from, is the same dealer who sold it, shame on them. Even if he isnt, he could have gone the extra mile toward earning a new customer by simply spending 10 minutes to educate you. Unfortunately, those kinds of dealers are becoming fewer and fewer. Customer service seems to have a reversed meaning these days. The dealers forgot that they are to service the customer, not the other way around.

The dealer I took it to did not sell me Engine I got it as new old stock from a person very inexpensively. It was never used. Anyway thank you for your reply. I also agree with carburetors and low-tech engines. They certainly are the way to go when it comes to simplicity and reliability.

 

[anchorclanker]

I think the smallest E-Tec is 15HP, costs $4,000 and weighs 175 lb.

Wow, I thought that was a typo. Thats almost 12 pounds per HP. Over 100 pounds heavier than a conventional 2 stroke of equal output. Quite the boat anchor.

 

[abk]

I don't know if the added weight would be due to the low pollution qualities of the engine. Too much HP, weight and cost anyway... as you stated, " Quite the boat anchor."

 

[anchorclanker]

A common two stroke short shaft 15 HP weighs about 70 pounds.

By comparison, a brand new 4 stroke Honda 15HP only weighs 30 pounds more at about 100 pounds, but has a complex cylinder head with OHC, valves, oil sump, oil pump, oil filter, etc.. I cant for the life of me understand Evinrude could add 100 pounds to a 15 HP two stroke, while keeping it a two stroke. And the Honda is almost half the price, kind of a no brainer.

 

[kloudie1]

The smallest Evinrude E-Tec is 25 HP .. the biggest of their "portable" engines is a 15 HP 4-stroke that weighs a smidge over 110 pounds..

 

[jviss]

The smallest Evinrude E-Tec is 25 HP .. the biggest of their "portable" engines is a 15 HP 4-stroke that weighs a smidge over 110 pounds..

Wrong.

http://www.evinrude.com/en-CA/Engines/ETEC_HO/ETEC_15_HO

 

[jviss]

A common two stroke short shaft 15 HP weighs about 70 pounds.

By comparison, a brand new 4 stroke Honda 15HP only weighs 30 pounds more at about 100 pounds, but has a complex cylinder head with OHC, valves, oil sump, oil pump, oil filter, etc.. I cant for the life of me understand Evinrude could add 100 pounds to a 15 HP two stroke, while keeping it a two stroke. And the Honda is almost half the price, kind of a no brainer.

It's electric start, power tilt, has an alternator too, and so on. Not a dinghy engine.

 

[anchorclanker]

I got it as new old stock from a person very inexpensively. It was never used.

Back in 1990 a guy called and offered his dads old motor for scrap price because it had sat for years and didnt run. He said his dad died in 1970 and no one used the motor since, and didnt know how old it was. He said it was kind of stiff to pull and didnt think it ran and they just wanted it gone.

It turned out it was a 1969 Evinrude 18 HP with a rare optional 25 amp belt driven generator. Still had plastic over it and a break in tag hanging on it. I later found out it had never been run at all. It was totally brand new.

Guy probably bought it fall of 69 thinking to take out the following year and it never happened. Just put it down in the basement and forgot about it.

 

[kloudie1]

OK.. i was wrong .. I didn't look at "High Output" engines.. Curious how can Bombardier call a 35 cubic inch engine that makes 15 horses "High Output"?? Interesting