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Furling line cleat

Discussion in 'Catalina 310' started by marchem, Apr 27, 2018. Add this thread to a FAQ

  1. marchem

    marchem

    Joined Nov 16, 2012
    614 posts, 60 likes
    Catalina 310, 2000, #31
    US Santa Cruz
    There's an old (closed) post here about adding a furling line cleat to the stern pulpit:

    https://forums.sailboatowners.com/index.php?threads/furling-line-cleat.132022/

    I'm thinking of doing that and was wondering if any one who has done it has problems with the furling line getting in the way when climbing in and out of the cockpit? Can you leave the line slack enough so it drops down out of the way?
     


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  2. Simon Sexton

    Simon Sexton

    Joined Nov 1, 2017
    255 posts, 93 likes
    Catalina 25 Tall Rig
    Valiant US Watergate Marina, Kemah, TX
    @marchem ,

    Good afternoon! This is a really interesting issue, because I don't think I've ever sailed a boat bigger than 30 feet that had the furling line already lead over the cabin-top near the companionway and into the cockpit. Granted, it is typically a good couple steps away from the helm; where is your line run originally? If it runs down a certain side of the deck (port or stbd.), then you'll want to rig it on the side where you and your passengers do not typically board. You could install pulleys/fairleads along the sides just above the gunwale and have a pivoting shackle at the end so you can access the line from the cockpit, but that's a lot of time and money to install. If your line is one of those over-the-cabin-top rigs, then you'd have to somehow run it to either side of the cockpit through a system of fairleads. The picture I'm seeing in the link you shared, however, looks like the rig that leads from the port side. I think it really comes down to what side you and your crew board, and whether or not it'll be a hassle for crew or guests. I hope this helps!
    God Bless,
    S.S.
     


  3. HMT2

    HMT2

    Joined Mar 20, 2014
    559 posts, 125 likes
    Hunter 31
    US Shoreacres, TX
    It’s a different boat but here is my set up.

    upload_2018-4-27_15-55-6.jpeg
     


  4. marchem

    marchem

    Joined Nov 16, 2012
    614 posts, 60 likes
    Catalina 310, 2000, #31
    US Santa Cruz
    That leads the line in a similar way. Any issues with tripping on the line when getting on or off of the boat?
     


  5. HMT2

    HMT2

    Joined Mar 20, 2014
    559 posts, 125 likes
    Hunter 31
    US Shoreacres, TX
    No sir. It’s not tight when the sail is furled so getting off and on is no problem. It runs along fair leads outside the stancions. Sorry my picture wasn’t better I was at an airport. Normally I would edit it with labels.
     


  6. JK_Boston_Catalina310

    JK_Boston_Catalina310

    Joined Nov 18, 2010
    1,954 posts, 79 likes
    Catalina 310
    US Hingham, MA
    I added the CAM cleat like you posted and had some issues. Sailing in high wind caused the line to get forced down into the cam. It made it really hard to furl in the sail. I might try it again.
     


  7. marchem

    marchem

    Joined Nov 16, 2012
    614 posts, 60 likes
    Catalina 310, 2000, #31
    US Santa Cruz
    Jesse, when furling the jib aren't you pulling on the line, maybe even using the winch? Seems like a cam cleat would still release. Or did you mean clam cleat? I could see that jamming tight.
     


  8. jssailem

    jssailem

    Joined Oct 22, 2014
    5,899 posts, 2,066 likes
    CAL 35 Cruiser
    US Salem, Moored Port Everett WA
    I am a bit confused... What's new.
    When the sail is furled, the line will have been pulled out to wind the sail up. If the line is left loose, the sail can unwind.
    Assuming this is the standard case, then the line that is run through fair-leads along the stanchions from the cockpit to the fore-deck will be up in the air taut. Trying to go over the side of the boat (getting on or off) the lines may be a tripping hazard if you shuffle and do not raise your feet. Lines on deck is just one of the many boat centric issues when the boat is powered by sail. If the sail is being flown then the furling line will be wrapped around the furler drum. Then the line may be floppy and on the side deck where you can step on it and role your ankle.

    At least that's how I see it work on my boat.
     


  9. Cat 310 #1 in GA

    Cat 310 #1 in GA

    Joined Jan 17, 2013
    245 posts, 29 likes
    Catalina 310
    US St. Simons
    We got some good advice and added this cam cleat as in the attached. Used to be secured with an elastic line to the lifeline but we recently changed to a large zip tie which works better and will last longer. The hardware was expensive but worth it. If you want a better picture in daylight just let me know.
    bob
     

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  10. jssailem

    jssailem

    Joined Oct 22, 2014
    5,899 posts, 2,066 likes
    CAL 35 Cruiser
    US Salem, Moored Port Everett WA
    It must be gentle winds and comforting breezes down in GA, @Cat 310 #1 in GA .

    Trusting a furler to a zip tie, in 30 plus knots of wind will bring tears to your eyes up here
    in the Pacific NW as you stroll down the dock to your boat...
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    A12129D3-6191-49DD-AB4D-8628216F06FB.jpeg
    I always check the cleated line for the furler before leaving the boat. It is as critical as checking the dock lines and securing the halyards so they do not ring on the mast.
     


  11. Cat 310 #1 in GA

    Cat 310 #1 in GA

    Joined Jan 17, 2013
    245 posts, 29 likes
    Catalina 310
    US St. Simons
    The cleat will still function without the zip tie as it is attached to the stanchion base with a shackle. Zip tie just holds it upright making it easier to operate...
     


  12. jssailem

    jssailem

    Joined Oct 22, 2014
    5,899 posts, 2,066 likes
    CAL 35 Cruiser
    US Salem, Moored Port Everett WA
    Oh. Well that’s very different.
     


  13. JK_Boston_Catalina310

    JK_Boston_Catalina310

    Joined Nov 18, 2010
    1,954 posts, 79 likes
    Catalina 310
    US Hingham, MA
    Can cleat. When big winds pull on the sail it pulls that furling line so deep into the cam it's very hard to release.

    And you shouldn't furl the headsail on a winch. It can cause damage.
     


  14. marchem

    marchem

    Joined Nov 16, 2012
    614 posts, 60 likes
    Catalina 310, 2000, #31
    US Santa Cruz
    That must only happen when partially furled, I think? If the jib is unrolled all the way there shouldn't be any load on the furling line.
     


  15. marchem

    marchem

    Joined Nov 16, 2012
    614 posts, 60 likes
    Catalina 310, 2000, #31
    US Santa Cruz
    I understand that there are going to be lines here and there on the boat. :biggrin: My question was whether the advantage of moving the last fairlead/block from the gate to the stern pulpit on the C310 (much easier to reach when short handed sailing) was outweighed by now having the line run across the entrance to the cockpit. It may be possible to lead the line low enough that it's not an issue, but I'm sure some of the C310 folks have tried it out.
     


  16. paulj

    paulj

    Joined Mar 16, 2007
    1,234 posts, 16 likes
    Catalina 310
    US Anacortes,Wa
  17. rpwillia

    rpwillia

    Joined Sep 29, 2008
    1,724 posts, 16 likes
    Catalina 310 #185
    US Quantico
    Sigh! Allow me to school you all. You are over thinking this. What you want is a Garhauer Stanchion Blocks SB-25C - Stainless Steel Blocks, length: 3-1/2, width: 2-5/8, weight: 11 oz shackle: sheave diameter: 1-3/4, 25 series block with swivels 360 degrees. Comes with cam cleat, $65.00

    Go to https://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=57 and click on the Stanchion Block link.

    Love it as it is simple and effective and at least works in winds up to 35 kts. You are welcome PaulJ!!! :stir:
     

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  18. jssailem

    jssailem

    Joined Oct 22, 2014
    5,899 posts, 2,066 likes
    CAL 35 Cruiser
    US Salem, Moored Port Everett WA
    @marchem I run my furling line to a cleat that is half way back on my cockpit combing. Ease of reaching it is important for solo sailing. My gates are further forward than yours. The line runs about 4 inches above the deck at the gate. When boarding I need to step over the line. Boarding is always an evolution that needs care.
    I prefer a Starboard tie when at dock. The fueling line is on the port side. So most of the time it is a non issue.
    I’ll take a picture in the AM.
    You want the lines to be free and no drag. You do not want to be winching the furling line in unless your in an extreme breeze. More often than not if you have won resort to the winch you have issues with the furler bearings or have a hang up on the drum. Better to inspect the rig then to winch the line in.
     


  19. Ward H

    Ward H

    Joined Nov 7, 2011
    1,788 posts, 185 likes
    Catalina 30 Mk III
    US Barnegat, NJ
    There is more years of sailing experience here than I'll ever have but I have to ask.
    Isn't a horn cleat much more secure than a cam cleat for securing your reefed headsail?
    Furling lines do not require the benefits of a cam cleat. You don't need the cam cleat's ease of adjustment or release to unfurl, furl to reef, then furl to stow the jib.
    Why not use a horn cleat to ensure the furling line does not release in a blow?
    That was what I was taught when I started out and makes sense to me.
     


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  20. kappykaplan

    kappykaplan

    Joined May 1, 2011
    793 posts, 121 likes
    Pearson 37
    US Lusby MD
    Ward, horn cleat is the way my boat is rigged.
     



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