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higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
3,736
Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
Larry and I are fortunate to be alive right now. But for good crew work, fast thinking, and experience things may have turned out differently. We were in danger of losing the boat in the 48 degree of water of Lake Ontario. It was early May. Great Lakes are all cold this time of year and hypothermia is a real danger for a MOB. In water this cold one has no more than an hour submersed to remain conscious.

We were a good half mile from the harbor mouth at Olcott, NY when the squall line hit. We had seen the dark clouds moving in. They were spotty and mostly to the north of us. Winds were very light moving Larry's Irwin 30 Citation at less than 2 knots. We had been keeping an eye on the clouds and could see the wind line moving towards us. It did not look bad to me as it had no white water associated with it. Larry felt differently and started the engine, but I discouraged him from furling the 150, which we were using with no main.

The wind line hit and we started sailing nicely on a beam reach. The rail dipped into the sea and it was time to ease the jib sheet. I was at the helm and leaned leeward to ease the sheet, but Larry had not run the sheet around both ends of the cleat before hitching it off. The hitch over the first turn on the cleat made the sheet impossible to release. The wind increased and suddenly, not being able to ease the sheet, we were on our beam end with solid water pouring into the cockpit. With the companionway wide open it was immediately clear we were in grave danger of flooding the cabin and sinking the boat. The rudder was now out of the water,and, with the upper life line completely submerged we were in a full knockdown with the 150 genny pinning us down. The boat did round up only to backwind the jib putting us in an even worse spot. I was at the helm and took advantage of having steerage to jibe the boat around so the jib was no longer backwinded. The steerage allowed me to put the boat into the wind which kept us on our feet long enough to do something. The sheet was still hopelessly tight on the cleat. How long could I keep the boat into the wind? My Leatherman was on my belt and I grabbed it and gave it to Larry. It took him a few seconds to figure out how to access a knife blade, but he did and cut the trapped jib sheet. We were at least solidly on our feet, but now we had a wild jib to tame.

It is my policy never to use a winch to furl in a sail, but that went out the window. We got most of the jib furled, but since it was so tightly wrapped, we ran out of furling line so that a small triangle remained exposed. In all the action, the other jib sheet fowled on something below the waterline so the sail was still pulling. Fortunately, the prop did not seem fouled and we were able to motor in.

Larry took over the helm – it was his boat – and we were able to dock. In the shelter of our harbor, I was able to untie the bowline in the remaining sheet so we got in without any real problems. It was time to reflect on the problems that the fouled jib sheet caused us and have a couple of beers.
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jrowan

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Mar 5, 2011
1,294
O'Day 35 Severn River, Mobjack Bay, Va.
Yikes! I usually experience a sailboat having a tendency to round up into the wind when she's heeling over so hard to the point where she starts to spill wind from the sails.
I had a time of it a few years back sailing at night & one of my newby crew wrapped the jib sheet over itself on the winch. It was super tightly hauled in. No way could I unwrap it.
So I decided to cut the sheet at the jib as the only way to release it. Felt bad doing it, but I really only lost about 6 " of line from the cut off bowline. Sometimes U gotta do what u gotta do to stay afloat.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Many lessons to be taken from an experience that we all hope never to have but must expect. My boat will not sail to the weather under jib only and I once had my main sail down and my main halyard jammed on a river when I HAD to sail to the weather. I got the anchor down and the boat under control in five feet of water. We draw four point five feet.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,356
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Yikes! I usually experience a sailboat having a tendency to round up into the wind when she's heeling over so hard to the point where she starts to spill wind from the sails.
Seems like they went right over to the jib being backwinded. That'll happen.

higgs - Great story, magnificently well written. Glad you were back to write it.

Stu
 
May 24, 2004
7,215
CC 30 South Florida
Learned a long time not to hitch the jib sheets nor mainsail halyard to a cleat. All that needs to be done is to wrap them twice around a cleat and pull tight. This will pinch the line against itself and friction will hold it. To release all you have to do is pull the bitter end on a perpendicular direction to the cleat and it will release.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
:-o


How long did it take for your sphincters to 'un-pucker'?

glad you came through it OK.

Lessons learned. Next time will totally different.

Thanks for sharing. ;-)
 
Dec 2, 2003
1,637
Hunter 376 Warsash, England --
JROWAN - The Riding Turn

We call your situation a "riding turn" on the winch.
I have suffered this on several occasions whilst racing.
Our way of dealing with it was to take one turn round the offending winch in the reverse (anticlockwise) direction and then across to the other genoa winch on the opposite side of the cockpit. Winding up on this winch usually pulls some of the riding turn out on the first winch. Sometimes you need to do this trick more than once but at least it saves the jib sheet - and the race.
 
May 23, 2004
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I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
Glad you guys made it back. Sounds like a nasty wind squall. Murphy is a pain in the butt and he likes to show his ass from time to time.
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
When I was sailing a one-design centerboard raceboat the rule was to play the sheets by hand when the conditions built. Eventually I replaced all of the horn cleats with cam cleats. But your experience brings up a question that all furling sail sailors should ask themselves - what will you do when that little furling line parts, and your sail completely unfurls? Can you strip and secure a sail on a pitching 45 deg. foredeck?
 
Sep 25, 2008
1,096
CS 30 Toronto
Replace the cleat with a Jam cleat

Never use a horn cleat for jib sheets or any sheet if you want to release in a hurry. Should replace them with a Jam cleat. You can run the bitter end backward to assist release.

I have self tailing winches. For the main and the jib, I always run the bitter end in reverse. All you need is to pull and it releases itself.

That's was a good story.

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Nov 6, 2006
10,219
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
Glad yall got it under control.. Amazing how fast things get "tight" sometimes.. Love self-tailer winches..
 
Jan 19, 2010
12,947
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
Thanks for sharing your story. Having your story in the back of my mind just might help me avoid a similar situation some day.
 

WayneH

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Jan 22, 2008
1,121
Tartan 37 287 Pensacola, FL
I've always been told to NEVER EVER cleat off a sheet and NEVER put a stopper knot on a spinnaker sheet. Your close call is a vivid reminder of why. Thanks for the reminder. An old salt tells me "If you think you need to reef, it's too late."

Glad you're safe and could tell us about it.
 
Oct 2, 2008
3,811
Pearson/ 530 Strafford, NH
Great story, I might have had more than a few beers. Glad you made it through.
All U Get
 

Johnb

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Jan 22, 2008
1,505
Hunter 37-cutter Richmond CA
[I've always been told to NEVER EVER cleat off a sheet and NEVER put a stopper knot on a spinnaker sheet.]

I guess opinion vary. The admiral was taught (by promient Bay Area sailing school) to never a) leave a handle in the winch or b) fail to cleat off a sheet, both for safety reasons should the winch fail. One way or another we insist on all sheets being arranged so that if they released uncontrollably no body parts can get entrained.

I had never thought about it before, but Donalex's suggestion to use another winch to try and pull out an over ride seems like a good tip to remember.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
A rolling hitch can be used to take up the load on a sheet to free an over ride. Just lead the new line to a lazy winch and take up the load, free the over ride, make everything right and return the load to the sheet.
 
Apr 19, 2011
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Hunter 31 Seattle
I had a similar situation but it was the wind I was fighting pulling on the genoa and I needed to get it in quicky due to high standing waves and possibility of it catching at the right time with one of the waves to the beam.

project 321323: Increase the purchasing power on the furling line. Dont want to use winch.

Glad your still here to tell us about it!
 

Bob J.

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Apr 14, 2009
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Sabre 28 NH
Never use a horn cleat for jib sheets or any sheet if you want to release in a hurry. Should replace them with a Jam cleat.
I like that idea, I don't have self tailing winches.

Glad to hear everything worked out Higgs, God was watching over you guys.

Of course my wife was reading the story over my shoulder & reminded me this is why she doesn't like sailing. Can't we buy a power boat again? Sure honey just keep working so you can keep the fuel tank full.

Bob
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
3,736
Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
If one properly uses the horn cleat It will not jam. I should, in deference to my friend Larry, point out that he wanted the furl in the jib before the gust hit, but I did not think it neccessary. Had we furled in when Larry suggested, we would have been OK. Had Larry tied a proper knot we would also have been OK. I share the blame for this fiasco. Both Larry and I are experienced and, once in the conundrum, we both responded well. There was no yelling and shouting. We both knew what had to be done and got it done.
 
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