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Sounds like a collision with a freighter.
Sounds like a collision with a freighter.
3 dead, 1 missing in accident during Newport-Ensenada race.
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SPECIAL REPORT: Fatalities in Newport-Ensenada Race
April 29, 2012 – Coronado Islands, Mexico
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The Newport to Ensenada Race, which started on Friday, has reported that three sailors are dead and one is missing. © 2012 Lexus Newport-Ensenada Race
For the last two weeks, the California sailing community has been reeling over the loss of five of our own, and yesterday we lost at least three, but probably four, more. Rich Roberts, press officer for the 65th Annual Lexus Newport to Ensenada Race, reported late last night that the Hunter 376 Aegean apparently collided with a large vessel off the Coronado Islands.
"The first indication of the incident was at 1:30 a.m. Saturday when the boat's image vanished from the online race tracking system in place for the race," Roberts wrote in a press release. "A Coast Guard search was launched that led to discovery of the boat's wreckage, including the rear transom with the boat's name on it.
"An investigation was continuing, but it appeared the damage was not inflicted by an explosion but by a collision with a ship much larger than the 37-foot vessel."
A USCG helicopter directed a Vessel Assist boat to two bodies and a third was later retrieved. A fourth is still missing. The search for the fourth crewmember has resumed this morning. Names have not been released pending notification of the victims' families.
The annual race, which had 213 entries, started on Friday off Newport Beach. Many boats finished on Saturday, while the rest were expected in today. Roberts reports the weather conditions were lighter than usual in the area of the accident, with boats reporting 1-2 knots of wind.
"These would be the first fatalities in the 65-year history of the race," Roberts said.
We'll have more in tomorrow's edition of 'Lectronic Latitude.
SPECIAL REPORT: Fatalities in Newport-Ensenada Race
April 29, 2012 – Coronado Islands, Mexico
(Click on the photo to enlarge it.)
The Newport to Ensenada Race, which started on Friday, has reported that three sailors are dead and one is missing. © 2012 Lexus Newport-Ensenada Race
For the last two weeks, the California sailing community has been reeling over the loss of five of our own, and yesterday we lost at least three, but probably four, more. Rich Roberts, press officer for the 65th Annual Lexus Newport to Ensenada Race, reported late last night that the Hunter 376 Aegean apparently collided with a large vessel off the Coronado Islands.
"The first indication of the incident was at 1:30 a.m. Saturday when the boat's image vanished from the online race tracking system in place for the race," Roberts wrote in a press release. "A Coast Guard search was launched that led to discovery of the boat's wreckage, including the rear transom with the boat's name on it.
"An investigation was continuing, but it appeared the damage was not inflicted by an explosion but by a collision with a ship much larger than the 37-foot vessel."
A USCG helicopter directed a Vessel Assist boat to two bodies and a third was later retrieved. A fourth is still missing. The search for the fourth crewmember has resumed this morning. Names have not been released pending notification of the victims' families.
The annual race, which had 213 entries, started on Friday off Newport Beach. Many boats finished on Saturday, while the rest were expected in today. Roberts reports the weather conditions were lighter than usual in the area of the accident, with boats reporting 1-2 knots of wind.
"These would be the first fatalities in the 65-year history of the race," Roberts said.
We'll have more in tomorrow's edition of 'Lectronic Latitude.
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Sad news. Prayers for the families and friends of the missing.
Sad news. Prayers for the families and friends of the missing.
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Yes a tragedy. I sail out of SD and those freighters can be really scary at nite. I wonder if there is any type of tracking system used once they leave port that would allow uscg to know if one was in that area at 0130?
Yes a tragedy. I sail out of SD and those freighters can be really scary at nite. I wonder if there is any type of tracking system used once they leave port that would allow uscg to know if one was in that area at 0130?
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the big ships there are easily seen an d recognized for what they are. is EXPECTED to see some there-----is not a new thing--has been same for decades, nothing has changed.
the big ships there are easily seen an d recognized for what they are. is EXPECTED to see some there-----is not a new thing--has been same for decades, nothing has changed.
Zeehag. You are correct. Those big ships are easy to see at nite and absolutely should be expected in those waters. With 4 crew members on board I am wondering was any body paying attention? A tragedy for sure and my prayers go out to the families.
There Was Recognition Of The Loss
...at the awards. Tough deal for all concerned. We went through the debris field during recovery efforts (was not aware we were in the area). Awful to see what little was left. Before hearing the full story, we thought it was a gas or LPG explosion. Saw the boat at the start. More later.
...at the awards. Tough deal for all concerned. We went through the debris field during recovery efforts (was not aware we were in the area). Awful to see what little was left. Before hearing the full story, we thought it was a gas or LPG explosion. Saw the boat at the start. More later.
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Wow, the search for one possible survivor is still ongoing and already the blame game is starting. Pretty sad.
Wow, the search for one possible survivor is still ongoing and already the blame game is starting. Pretty sad.
I agree... the race committee is too quick to say it was hit by a bigger ship. In this modern day and age of technologies, that would hardly be the case. Running lights, radar detectors, did the Hunter have radar, was there someone at the helm of the Hunter and the "ghost ship" that hit them. All large ships are tracked so if there was one in the area it will be known. It if was a large ship I am sure they would see scarring or tell-tale signs on the hull.
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Yahoo photos don't seem to show radar. It was supposedly a calm, clear night. So a collision would require failure to keep watch on both the ghost ship and the yacht.
The race is an 120 miles should be a single overnight so with 4 crew should have had a watch.
Submarine? I had thought explosion but the initial reports say not.
Yahoo photos don't seem to show radar. It was supposedly a calm, clear night. So a collision would require failure to keep watch on both the ghost ship and the yacht.
The race is an 120 miles should be a single overnight so with 4 crew should have had a watch.
Submarine? I had thought explosion but the initial reports say not.
The tell for me: This was reported to be a club charter boat. Wouldn't expect that it had radar, AIS and if it did that the crew would not be trained up on the use of. I don't believe chartering is an appropriate venue for overnight racing.
FYI, big, very big ships often run with reduced lighting at night, and the lights are high and obscured at close quarters. Add in fog, seasmoke, mist, rain and you can come up on a commercial ship way too close. Radar and AIS are a godsend for SA.
FYI, big, very big ships often run with reduced lighting at night, and the lights are high and obscured at close quarters. Add in fog, seasmoke, mist, rain and you can come up on a commercial ship way too close. Radar and AIS are a godsend for SA.
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reported to be a club charter yet the owner had done many of these races and it was equipped(per reports). wasnt owner on board this time??
too many contradicting reports.
could this be a possible hit by ship and then boom from gasoline or propane? will we ever really know???? did anyone see anything as all were sailing south ????
reported to be a club charter yet the owner had done many of these races and it was equipped(per reports). wasnt owner on board this time??
too many contradicting reports.
could this be a possible hit by ship and then boom from gasoline or propane? will we ever really know???? did anyone see anything as all were sailing south ????
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Yeah I was thinking about that, Ship is far away and coming at you, you see red and green and he should be able to see you. Once he is close enough you can't see his nav lights and he can't see yours.
I think at 1:30 the moon would have been down. From Yahoo it sounds like there was a freighter in the area and it was hailing the Agean, but unfortunately somebody else responded and said he was clear.
Problem is if you hear a call "This is freighter Enormous calling the vessel dead ahead of me" unless you already see the freighter you are apt to think that is for somebody else.
Yeah I was thinking about that, Ship is far away and coming at you, you see red and green and he should be able to see you. Once he is close enough you can't see his nav lights and he can't see yours.
I think at 1:30 the moon would have been down. From Yahoo it sounds like there was a freighter in the area and it was hailing the Agean, but unfortunately somebody else responded and said he was clear.
Problem is if you hear a call "This is freighter Enormous calling the vessel dead ahead of me" unless you already see the freighter you are apt to think that is for somebody else.
Chatter Around The Docks
From chatter in the docks in Mexico: A boat ahead of the Agean by 20 miles tracked a tanker steaming at a good clip north from Ensenada Bay before the collision. My neighbors had hailed what they think was the same ship near the Los Coronados islands around the same time as the sinking. The ship did respond that it saw them. We went through the debris field and our first thought was, not knowing it was a race boat, was a gasoline or propane explosion on a fishing boat. There was, however, no sign of charring nor other of fire. The Agean would have had two on watch if typical. However, the tanker's light would have been high and the radar target not that large head on. There were a lot of boats out and I'm speculating it could have been confused with another race or fishing boat. I wouldn't be that quick to judge; it wouldn't take but a couple of small incorrect conclusions on either vessel to cause this to occur. BTW, it was a slow race with light winds. We took 42+ hours to finish which is two nights.
From chatter in the docks in Mexico: A boat ahead of the Agean by 20 miles tracked a tanker steaming at a good clip north from Ensenada Bay before the collision. My neighbors had hailed what they think was the same ship near the Los Coronados islands around the same time as the sinking. The ship did respond that it saw them. We went through the debris field and our first thought was, not knowing it was a race boat, was a gasoline or propane explosion on a fishing boat. There was, however, no sign of charring nor other of fire. The Agean would have had two on watch if typical. However, the tanker's light would have been high and the radar target not that large head on. There were a lot of boats out and I'm speculating it could have been confused with another race or fishing boat. I wouldn't be that quick to judge; it wouldn't take but a couple of small incorrect conclusions on either vessel to cause this to occur. BTW, it was a slow race with light winds. We took 42+ hours to finish which is two nights.
What do people make of this statement?
"Quite honestly, I'm amazed it hasn't happened before," said Lamb. "You get 200 boats out there, they lose their way, and they're just bobbing around."
This came from an MSNBC article which is read by millions. This guy supposedly manned a patrol boat from a private firm which is hired to do safety patrol for the race (according to the article). This statement is incredibly condescending in my opinion and I wonder exactly what he is suggesting?
"Quite honestly, I'm amazed it hasn't happened before," said Lamb. "You get 200 boats out there, they lose their way, and they're just bobbing around."
This came from an MSNBC article which is read by millions. This guy supposedly manned a patrol boat from a private firm which is hired to do safety patrol for the race (according to the article). This statement is incredibly condescending in my opinion and I wonder exactly what he is suggesting?
Rick, how was the fog that night? We had been gettng some evening and morning fog?
Just for my own information would it be prudent or misleading to run your anchor light at night, especially while crossing shipping lanes?
Second question: Is there a particular channel that you monitor on your VHS at night or any other time, or do you have it on continuous scan?
Would the freighter have picked up a radar reflector and/or would it have mattered?
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