1980 Catalina 27 Keel Question

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Ajay73

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Jun 11, 2011
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Catalina 1980 C27 Meinke Marina on Lake Erie
I just bought a 1980 Catalina 27 and have a "smile" question. Currently the boat is out of the water and there appears to be no smile. Maybe when the boat is lifted into the water a smile would then appear? Also, is it possible to drill down into the area of the plywood step is to determine if it is wet? Seems like it would be better to find out before the smile appears.

Thanks for your replies.
 
Dec 29, 2011
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Catalina 27 Kootenay Lake
Ahoy...look at the keel for rust streaks. Or blisters sign that bolts have issue s. Other wise she may just need paint... Check out bilge bolts for excessive corrosion too..
 

jrowan

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Mar 5, 2011
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O'Day 35 Severn River, Mobjack Bay, Va.
By 1980 the keel bolts on your catalina should be made of stainless steel, and are actually pretty rugged. I believe that the catalina smile is a combination of several design issues: mast pumping punding the top of the compression post, soft or hard groundings causing friction pressure against the keel to hull joint. But the primary reason is water seeping past the keel bolts and glass bilge surface & into the plywood compression block under the mast base and the plywood reinforcement beneath the bolts begins to rot with age. We all seem to forget that these boats were not actually designed to last forever, even if fiberglass hulls do seem to last indefinitely! I'm sure catalina wishes that they had created a self destuct feature after 10 years of wear to force us into buying new sailboats! Maybe that's what the wood beneath the keel bolts and cheap gate valves were installed for. Anyway, I wouldn't go finding problems with the Cat smile unless there is already a noticable crack there. Don't fix it if it ain't broke. My 1980 had a minor smile developing and I fixed it pretty easily with faired out West Systems Epoxy resin. Once that stuff dries its hard as a rock.
 

Ajay73

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Jun 11, 2011
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Catalina 1980 C27 Meinke Marina on Lake Erie
By 1980 the keel bolts on your catalina should be made of stainless steel, and are actually pretty rugged. I believe that the catalina smile is a combination of several design issues: mast pumping punding the top of the compression post, soft or hard groundings causing friction pressure against the keel to hull joint. But the primary reason is water seeping past the keel bolts and glass bilge surface & into the plywood compression block under the mast base and the plywood reinforcement beneath the bolts begins to rot with age. We all seem to forget that these boats were not actually designed to last forever, even if fiberglass hulls do seem to last indefinitely! I'm sure catalina wishes that they had created a self destuct feature after 10 years of wear to force us into buying new sailboats! Maybe that's what the wood beneath the keel bolts and cheap gate valves were installed for. Anyway, I wouldn't go finding problems with the Cat smile unless there is already a noticable crack there. Don't fix it if it ain't broke. My 1980 had a minor smile developing and I fixed it pretty easily with faired out West Systems Epoxy resin. Once that stuff dries its hard as a rock.
JR, in another post I discuss that I have removed the wood(which was totally wet) in the keel sump and reglassed it according to the Catalina specifications (the drawing with the handwritten steps). I also have a wet compression post that I will be fixing this coming spring but that should be a lot less work than the keel was. Yes, I have stainless steel bolts and I'm lucky to have those versus the ones used in earlier boats which I think were maybe just galvanized.
 

fido

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Feb 7, 2010
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catalina catalina 27 lake simcoe ont
be sure to remember that there is 2 surfaces that expand and contract at different rates, A smile will always return after 2 or 3 seasons, good maintenance is the key, I replace the opoxy resin every time maintenance is required and have never had an issue with water in the bilge, 3m makes a good sealant for this particular maintenance requirment
 
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