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Aug 12, 2011
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grand soleil soleil 46 annapolis
he has gotten more good advise than he paid for. Until he is forth coming with some straight answers I am through with him.
Honestly life is too short for me to waste my time proving myself to a guy I don't even know. And if your lifes purpose is trying to ruin other peoples, than I truly feel sorry for you.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Honestly life is too short for me to waste my time proving myself to a guy I don't even know. And if your lifes purpose is trying to ruin other peoples, than I truly feel sorry for you.
Given your avoidance of any straight answers to fair and honest questions I would say that you are quite able to ruin your life without any outside help. You have spun a tale of fiction that is unbelievable for even the most naive sailor. If you sailed coastal from the Chesapeake bay to British Columbia you would have sailed nearly 10000 miles around the gulf coast and down the coast of central america through the panama canal and up the west coast of central america and the US. It is impossible to make that passage in two months in any sailing vessel. I can only conclude that your word is without value.
 
Aug 12, 2011
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grand soleil soleil 46 annapolis
Given your avoidance of any straight answers to fair and honest questions I would say that you are quite able to ruin your life without any outside help. You have spun a tale of fiction that is unbelievable for even the most naive sailor. If you sailed coastal from the Chesapeake bay to British Columbia you would have sailed nearly 10000 miles around the gulf coast and down the coast of central america through the panama canal and up the west coast of central america and the US. It is impossible to make that passage in two months in any sailing vessel. I can only conclude that your word is without value.
You have clearly not been reading what I've said or just to ignorant to understand.
 
Aug 12, 2011
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grand soleil soleil 46 annapolis
Given your avoidance of any straight answers to fair and honest questions I would say that you are quite able to ruin your life without any outside help. You have spun a tale of fiction that is unbelievable for even the most naive sailor. If you sailed coastal from the Chesapeake bay to British Columbia you would have sailed nearly 10000 miles around the gulf coast and down the coast of central america through the panama canal and up the west coast of central america and the US. It is impossible to make that passage in two months in any sailing vessel. I can only conclude that your word is without value.
We were averaging about 8 knots or 9.6 mph. If you do the math it is much more than possible. Get out of your paranoid world and figure it out.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
I yield to a master. You have clearly establish a new standard by which all passage time can be measured. Even those sailing around the world non-stop have to salute you for the speed with which you can sail.
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
10,000 miles @ 10 mph = 1,000 hours

2 months = 62 days times 24 hrs/day = 1,488 hours.

Maybe there, but no way there and back again in that amount of time.

Do the math?

If the trip was only one way, then I have "issues" or questions about anyone's ability to sail that route averaging 9.6 mph. Maybe Carribean from FL to the canal, but uphill from the canal to BC in a monohull? Hmm.
 
Aug 12, 2011
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grand soleil soleil 46 annapolis
I said one way and with a 40 foot boat 140% genoa in just over 20 knots with a racer ( meaning me) I should hope you average 8
 
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grand soleil soleil 46 annapolis
I yield to a master. You have clearly establish a new standard by which all passage time can be measured. Even those sailing around the world non-stop have to salute you for the speed with which you can sail.
You should know a Martin 49 hit 24.5 knots and thats a production boat. A beneteau first 40.7 hit 14.2 and maintained it for a constant amount of time. And if you think the Volvo boats only average 8 knots you clearly have no idea of what boats can do, they average over 20 knots.
 

JohnS

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Sep 25, 2008
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Islander (Wayfarer/McGlasson) 32 St Georges Harbor
Seems to me, regardless of your experience, the advice still holds to give the boat lots of thorough shakedown time in gradual increments. I like ITMasters recommendation: Circle the Eastern shore counter clockwise, then outside to NC, then run up to Maine. A shakedown in a Chesapeake storm is no test for an ocean storm.

What's your hurry?
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
You should know a Martin 49 hit 24.5 knots and thats a production boat. A beneteau first 40.7 hit 14.2 and maintained it for a constant amount of time. And if you think the Volvo boats only average 8 knots you clearly have no idea of what boats can do, they average over 20 knots.
Sure, but didn't you do the BC trip on this?

On a 1980 C&C 40 which I knew every little thing not a brand new soleil 46.
That C&C is NOT a Martin 49 or a B40.7.

I'm just tryin' to stay with the math.
 
Aug 12, 2011
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grand soleil soleil 46 annapolis
No hurry but I would like to get in for the fastnet race, so I do have 2 years until the next race. But a bay storm poses its own problem, mainly in the fact that there is a much shorter wave length so it can show any problems in the boat. I will take her out in the ocean no question but I think the bay isn't a bad start.
 
Aug 12, 2011
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grand soleil soleil 46 annapolis
Sure, but didn't you do the BC trip on this?



That C&C is NOT a Martin 49 or a B40.7.

I'm just tryin' to stay with the math.
Im not saying it is. All I stated was that those boats were more than able to maintain a speed well over a 8 knot average. So it is more than possible for a C&C 40 to maintain its hullspeed. By the way I have beaten plenty of 40.7 in annapolis. The last thing I'm goin is that you have clearly never had the pleasure
of sailing the first C&C's.
 
Aug 12, 2011
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grand soleil soleil 46 annapolis
If anyone is looking for a new boat, buy a older C&C, then you can see what im talking about.
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Im not saying it is. All I stated was that those boats were more than able to maintain a speed well over a 8 knot average. So it is more than possible for a C&C 40 to maintain its hullspeed. By the way I have beaten plenty of 40.7 in annapolis. The last thing I'm goin is that you have clearly never had the pleasure
of sailing the first C&C's.
Perhaps you can enlighten all of us on your 10,000 mile trip thru the Canal to B.C.

What was your route up the west coast of Central America, Mexico and California, Oregon and Washington? Those last four are usually pretty brutal. And don't lend themselves to high speeds, going uphill all the time. And what time of year did you do it?

You see, based on these conversations, there's kinda a "credibility gap" with your statements.

That said, all the best on the new boat and crew.
 
Aug 12, 2011
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grand soleil soleil 46 annapolis
No i could under stand why you find it hard to beleave, but I have no reason to lie, all I came for was advice on my first new boat and stated what I had done. And honestly I'm pretty tired of people doubting my achievements.I know that you two wouldn't like it if someone was trying to take away some of your proudest moments. Anyway it was a long and we went through some very tough whether, but we kept up very good time.
 
Sep 25, 2008
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C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
Do you have pictures of this trip on this boat? Post 'em. Somethings are hard to believe. Doesn't mean they aren't true. I am interested in your trip.
I have some incredible stories too. Most of them ARE true.....well some of them.;)
 
Sep 25, 2008
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Macgregor & Island Packet VENTURE 25 & IP-38 NORTH EAST, MD
Where in Annapolis do you slip your new boat?
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
I don't have a big fast boat so i don't know how hard the wind must blow to allow a 40 foot boat with 8 crew and all of their provisions to maintain an average speed over the ground of 8 knots. I have never known the wind to blow from a favorable direction for 60 days.
 
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