Compound Gelcoat Every Year?

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Ducati

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Nov 19, 2008
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Boatless Boatless Annapolis
Our Ben 36.7 was professionally waxed last year. It still looks OK however before it goes back in the water I am wondering if it is really necessary to go all out and compound before we wax. Also, if we just apply wax, what speed (rpms) should I be running our Makita at?

Thanks
 

KMm

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Aug 20, 2010
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Is it a buffer or drill? I've used aircraft wax that has compound in it and it works great.
 

Ducati

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Nov 19, 2008
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Boatless Boatless Annapolis
Makita 922 Sander/Buffer

Is it a buffer or drill? I've used aircraft wax that has compound in it and it works great.
Never used it yet but I hear that our new Makita 922 is the "so-called" best machine for compounding/waxing. It has an RPM adjustment and is very light.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,760
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Our Ben 36.7 was professionally waxed last year. It still looks OK however before it goes back in the water I am wondering if it is really necessary to go all out and compound before we wax. Also, if we just apply wax, what speed (rpms) should I be running our Makita at?

Thanks
No need to compound again just a polish & wax, or wax only if your happy with what you've got. For waxing the buffer is not used. Buffer only used during compounding or polishing..
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,696
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
A little off topic, but has anyone done this while in the water???

Wayne
Yes, in fact, I prefer to do it in the water as it seems much easier to me sitting on the dock rather than climbing a ladder or staging. Wonder if it's the boat:)
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,204
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Sure Did Do It In The Water...

A little off topic, but has anyone done this while in the water??? Wayne
As a matter of fact, I did. I used to pay $350-400 for a wax. However, in my current marina, workers must have a business license, insurance & permit, so the competition is way less. So, $750 there. Since I'm retired a long time, and since the exercise is good for me, I do it myself. It takes me a day and a half with a one-part cleaner-wax to do the hull. I also do the deck and use Woody Wax on the non-skid after 3M non-skid cleaner. I also do all the Plexiglas with (Plexiglas) cleaner and wax and all the SS with polish. I hired someone to do the mast & rig. My part plus the engine service took about eight (hard) days. But it looks good, and my MD says I should be able to stand up again in about a week...
 
May 17, 2010
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hunter 33 marina del rey
Re: Sure Did Do It In The Water...

While I think that the hulls which are compounded prior to waxing look great. I think that I would go easy on the compounding. You see all over the streats of california cars that were overly compounded and waxed. they are down to their prime coatusually on the hood and rooftop.
Auto paint and clearcoat is header then Gelcoat.

So be carefull.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,760
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
While I think that the hulls which are compounded prior to waxing look great. I think that I would go easy on the compounding. You see all over the streats of california cars that were overly compounded and waxed. they are down to their prime coatusually on the hood and rooftop.
Auto paint and clearcoat is header then Gelcoat.

So be carefull.
Contrary to popular misconceptions gelcoat is very, very thick comparatively speaking and most of the products most often used are also used on far thinner and far less durable automotive clear coats every day of the week by automotive body shop & detailing professionals. I've done lots different hulls and never once burned through gelcoat even on boats 40+ years old that have been buffed 20+ times. My neighbors O'Day Mariner has been buffed/waxed nearly every season since the early 70's and despite the olive green color it still looks fabulous. I grew up buffing and prepping antique cars for concourse shows, "trailer queens". Some of these nitrocellulose lacquer paint jobs were $20k+ and polishing products with the same or similar grit levels to what we use to polish gelcoat were used.

I've never even burned through a clear coat and these are on order of about 16-40+ times less thick than a typical gelcoat.

Keep in mind that most automotive clear coats from the auto manufacturers are 1-2 mils thick (.001 to .002) the average gelcoat is normally multiples that thickness (.016-.040+). All of the Presta products, except for the Gelocat Compound, plus Finesse-It, Meguiars #9 and others, for example, are used primarily in the automotive industry on finishes .001 to .002 thick not finishes .016 to .040+ thick. Cape Dory for instance used to lay on gel at about .035 to .045. This is actually too thick and has led to lots of crazing but that's another subject for another day. To try and put it in perspective your transmission coupling is normally aligned to .003. If you were at anywhere near .040 you'd knock your kidneys into your lungs..


This was a section of a hull that was detailed once per season for over 11 years including starting with a 600 grit wet sanding and building up to 2000 at the beginning because it was so badly oxidized. This sample was cut for a radar pole install and the owner, who was always concerned about his gelcoat thickness, had a real "awakening" and showed me this piece.


As you can see the gelcoat is still thicker than the dull side of a box cutter blade! Boat was over 30 years old when that photo was taken. Also keep in mind that new boats are usually prepped, per manufacturer instructions, for bottom paint or barrier coats with an 80 grit paper on a RO or DA sander. Again never once sanded through gelcoat even using 80 grit on an RO or DA on the many new boat preps I undertook when working in boat yards, in my younger days.

Allowing oxidation can actually remove or slough as much or more gelcoat than keeping it properly polished. I have rubbed more than a few boats over the years and might as well have been sticking my hand in baby powder the gelcoat was so badly oxidized and sloughing very badly.

As you said, "be careful", but comparing auto paint to gelcoat is like comparing Janet Reno to Michael Jordan in a game of basketball...;) Not quite the same thicknesses..



 
May 23, 2004
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I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
Wow....I am bad I guess because I would rather sail than buff and wax. I would love to be able to pay someone to compound, buff, and wax my hull but for the amount of money it would cost I would rather buy another piece of equipment.
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,832
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
Waxing

What did you do before you put the wax on waxed very important part.
I just did my boat upper decki part about a month ago and it is so nice and easy to keep clean just hose it off after out sailing.
What I did is mostly what Main Sail recommends and my 2007 H36 is just a real good washing every year 3M compound Finnese II and Fleet Wax and may soon wax again because here in Florida the wax wears off less than 6 months.
The less you put into it the less it will last,th hull needs a good clean of the gelcoat with compound for the wax to last,I do the deck all by hand and the hull I use the Makita for compounding in the water and wax by hand.
My bad back keeps me from doing it all at once so the deck took me about a week.
Nick
 
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