I Want to Buy A Catalina 309, But Hunter 306 Much Less Money?

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Feb 26, 2008
603
Catalina 30 Marathon, FL
SigBear, bet you didn't realize you were kicking the hornets nest eh :D

Hunter had some past issues and there are those who will forever bash them, which may explain why some responses sound a bit defensive.

The important thing is to find the boat that fits you best.

When I was looking three years ago I stopped into a large dealer on the Chesapeake. They had quite a few used Hunters and Catalinas side by side (mid-90's boats). What I noticed with boats of that age was the Catalina's seemed to be aging better than the Hunters. Everything from how well the interiors were holding up to small gel coat cracks. These weren't safety issues, but small things that would have botherd me. That experience, and the fact I'd had good experiences with my Catalina 22 helped me decide on a Catalina 30 (we looked at other brands as well). Also Catalina's customer service is very good - even for older boats.

That said for the type of sailing you're describing I wouldn't rule out a well maintained Hunter if you really like the boat. There is something to be said for going with your heart.

Jim
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,081
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
More modern design???

Grinding in a BIG headsail gets old on a family boat when a more modern design will sail just as well
Uhm, that's wide of the mark. The Catalinas, until recently on some models, were all masthead rigs, hence, the large jib, because those were the drivers of the sail plan.

Many, many other boats were designed with fractional rigs, like Folkboats and many others, well before Hunter used them. Folkboats were in use before Hunter was even a company.

Kinda an unfair comparison.
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,486
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
Compare an older hunter 30 to an older Catalina 30. The Catalina has more space and holds its value better.
I have seen this comment (regarding value) twice in this thread and would like someone to provide evidence on which that statement is based. From a cursory comparison of Yachtword which can be misleading, it appears the opposite may be true.
 
May 23, 2004
3,319
I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
If you REALLY want to see the difference...look at the years where Hunter used Iron Keels. Those boats didn't hold their value nearly as well as the Catalina boats with lead keels.
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
Bad: If you check out NADA used boats and compare a 1985 Catalina 30 to a 1985 Hunter 30 this is not the case.

The Hunter has a range of $18,800-21,150.
The Catalina has a range of $16,700-18,750.

I do not know what engines that year of Catalina had, but Hunters were all Yanmars (2GM).

The deal with the keel is really not that big of an issue. Many of the builders are still hanging case iron.

Anyway, Don is correct that it is really not the case that Catalina's have MUCH higher resale. Besides that had higher costs in most cases too.
 
Mar 28, 2010
91
Catalina C320 Washington, NC
Either boat will serve you well. Don't get up tight about resale, the newer boats may work out differently in the future. Choose the boat that you like the best. Select the one that you will go down to the pier just to admire it from time to time. That one will serve you well. If you buy based on some mathematical measurements, but deep down in your gut, you don't think your selection was the better looking one, you'll probably be dissatisfied, and those slight mathematical advantages will not seem so important. It's the same with price. The difference isn't that much and you'll forget about it in the future. I bought a Catalina 320 and everytime I look at a similar Hunter, Beneteau, or Jenneau, I come away glad that I bought the Catalina because that's the one I think looks best. And, I suspect the owners of those other brands feel good about their selection vs. the Catalina. Good luck on your choice.
 
May 21, 2009
360
Hunter 30 Smithfield, VA
For over 10 years I had a 1973 Catalina 22 that was a fine boat. Now I have a 1979 Hunter 30. I had sold my Catalina and thought I'd never afford a 30 footer so I was out of the sailing business. I got the Hunter because I stumbled on the listing in the newspaper for a price I couldn't refuse. If I'd had a pocket full of money I probably wouldn't have considered a hunter at all simply because I liked Catalinas. I've had the Hunter for 2 years now and love it more than ever. It is stable, sails wonderfully, especially in heavier air, I love the cabin layout, and I especially like the Yanmar 3GM diesel. There is nothing I'd change about my boat, except perhaps make the waterline into a 37 or so :). Much of the fuss between Catalina and Hunter owners may be mostly brand loyalty. I'd recommend you ignore the ASKING price difference and just see which boat's lines, equipment and interior you like better and go for it and make your deal. By the way, I looked up NADA pricing for 1979 Hunter 30 vs Catalina 30 and the Hunter price was higher. The diesel in the Hunter would make a big difference with many sailors. The 79 Catalinas had an Atomic 4 gas engine. Not sure how equipment compares on the boats that you are considering. Godspeed your search. Buying ANY sailboat is a wonderful thing!
 
Apr 20, 2010
25
Hunter 33 Naples, Fl
Hunters Bow Away Catalinas, Ask Me Why.

Hunter Sail Boats As Of 2003 Blow Away Catalinas In Design, Structure And Cost And Especiallt Performance.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,081
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Awww.......

And here I was hoping this wouldn't degenerate into a "We're Better Than Them" thing.

Shucks.

I have a C34.

Let's go cruising together. I'd like that.

I'm going to spend the day tomorrow with a friend who got a new-to-him Hunter 34 and help with his electrical system. Like, explaining to him how it works. He used to have a motor yacht on our dock and has bought his first sailboat. Pretty cool to help someone who's come in from
The Dark Side. :evil:

I'm looking forward to spending a day and more on his Hunter.

After all, I know I will learn something...:D
 

orion

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Nov 19, 2008
52
Hunter legend 35 City Island
Catalina vs Hunter

You have heard most of the arguments and it is a draw. The bottom line answer is which boat has the most useful toys (neat fully functioning electronics) already on it. If you factor in a chart plotter, radar, etc. that can influence your decision.
 
Apr 21, 2010
2
Catalina C34 Dunedin, Florida
Catalina vs.(?) Hunter

Look for features that suit your needs. Both boats are fine choices but which meets your needs the most. I have owned 3 Catalina's, the 25, the 30 and now a 34 and have always enjoyed the owner support and availability of parts. I am sure that Hunter has the same. It boils down to what you are most comfortable with.
 
Jan 22, 2008
8,050
Beneteau 323 Annapolis MD
He used to have a motor yacht on our dock and has bought his first sailboat. Pretty cool to help someone who's come in from The Dark Side. :evil:
Around Annapolis (a sailing city) such people are called "Trans-vessel-ites.
 

Liam

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Apr 5, 2005
241
Beneteau 331 Santa Cruz
This is not really an issue of which boat is better as they are pretty much the same and either one will serve you well. It is an issue of what you WANT.
I am always of the opinion that it is more important to get "what you want" than to save money.
There have been a few times in my life when I chose not what I wanted but what I thought was a better value and I was always sorry that I didn't just pay more and get what I really wanted.
A year from now it won't matter what you paid, but you will own what you bought!
Good luck.
 
Dec 25, 2008
1,580
catalina 310 Elk River
I've owned both Hunter 88' Legend 37.5 and now a C310. The Hunter was a monster on a reach, but very uncomfortable to sail, not a very well balanced boat. My C310 is a dream to sail very well balanced, but not nearly as fast, but then again I'm not racing anymore and don't need to get anywhere fast. As far as quality goes, both are rather lacking, but that seems to be the rule with high rate production boats. Educate yourself before buying, don't just rely on a surveyor to check the boat out. The one I used missed some very significant flaws in my C310.
 
Mar 5, 2008
2
Beneteau 331 Lake Texoma
I have a 2006 C-309 loaded and in excellent shape on Lake Texoma in Texas. It has always been a fresh water boat on this lake. It has all the instruments, plus auto pilot, A/C and Heat, roller furling main ,up graded interior, and folding wheel. I am asking $92,500. Look at it on Yacht world. It is listed as a 31' Catalina. I try to keep it the lowest fresh water boat available with comparable equipment. Steve Tillman jst50@graysoncable.com
 
Jan 10, 2010
36
hunter cruiser Charlevoix
WOW...Just checked out Sailing World.....There are literally hundreds of Catalina 30's for sale....never did get to the 31's .......and thousands of sailboats! Looks like a buyers market!. Many will never be sold anywhere close to the asking prices there though.......Locally here in Michigan there's a lot of inventory on the hard that won't be going in the water this year!
 
May 23, 2004
3,319
I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
Say what you want.....but in the Hunters and the Catalinas I will vouch that they will take more abuse than the owners will when at sea. I was really happy with the way my Catalina 30 took a huge front that came through on the bay (many of you have heard this story a few times). My Hunter 22 took a pretty good beating once too at Point Lookout, MD.

Yeah, the production boats have flaws. Don't all boats have something that isn't 100% with them. There is no such thing as perfection when it comes to these things and the compromises aren't really that hard to stomach. There will always be work to do.

In the end the easiest way to buy a boat is to approach it methodically. Each time you visit a boat take pics and maybe video. When you leave make a list of pros and cons with each boat. Put the price at the top of the list. When you find the boat that has a lot of pros, few cons, and the money is right it is probably "The Boat" no matter who made it!
 
Jun 9, 2008
1,801
- -- -Bayfield
OK, here's my 2 cents. You really should make some comparisons about the two boats you are considering, but maybe you don't know which questions to ask or ponder about.
Besides price (and there is usually a reason why one price is lower for one boat in comparison to another), consider these things:
1. Size of the engine and how it will accomodate you in the type of waters you will be sailing in. Sometimes a manufacture will keep the initial base price quite low upon a casual looksy, but then you will find the horsepower is lower than a competing brand and often they will offer an engine upgrade for more money which might give you the same horsepower or near to that of the other brand you are considering.
2. Consider the gear on the boats. How many winches on each brand? Are there inboard genoa tracks. Some boats offer a fractional rig and a smaller 135% genoa. But, if you wanted to add a 150% genoa for those light aired days, will the deck hardware accommodate the larger headsail? Often not in one brand, but yes in another. And, if you say, well, I can always add them.....look at the deck and see where you would install the longer tracks and how does other deck hardware like lifeline stanchions interfere with this task....and, where do you route the new sheets from the new genoa car locations so that you get a fair lead to the primary winch so you will not have any overrides. Do you need to add a foot block? If there is a place for one, can you through bolt it and get to the underside to get at nuts? Does both boats have travelers, or is one an option? If it has the option, then on a used boat there is no further issue except where it is located. On an arch? Oh, the boat must not have a backstay. And what sort of gain do you get with a traveler on the arch in comparison to in front of the helm, or over the companionway hatch or on the bridge deck? And, what about having a boat without a backstay? Must mean it has a B&G rig with far reaching spreaders sticking aft (swept back) to triangulate the mast enough to eliminate the backstay. Is this safe? Depends on your conditions. Can you sail dead down wind? Probably not...but, then do you need to? It is faster to gybe downwind anyway, you might say. Well, I can think of times where I need to sail down wind and don't have room to gybe downwind because the channel is too narrow. Drop the main? I like to sail. Many fractional rigs have smaller headsails that make for easier tacking. That is a good thing. But they are bent on tapered masts that are designed to be bent back in heavier air with a backstay adjuster. Don't have a backstay? Then you don't have an adjuster.
3. Cabins. Many modern boats are built with incredibly huge and beautiful cabins now adays. That is great if you want a cabin on the water, that sort of sails. Depends on your priority. Really good sailing boats can have some very nice interiors, but usually not cavernous. Like thwart aft cabin berths? They can be nice, but then do you mind crawling over your mate to hit the head in the middle of the night? And, what does that do to the cockpit storage? Often it leaves you with one or two shallow lockers suitable enough for winch handles and small stuff, but can you put a bucket or extra anchor, or a sail bag, or anything sizeable in one? What sort of accommodations does the boat have to suit your family? Enough berths and long enough? Is the head big enough?
4. What is the boat's interior made of? Solid hardwood? Marine grade plywood hardwood veniers? Or manufactured pressed wood with paper simulated wood grain glued on? This has a big bearing on boat values and prices and longevity of interiors and if they stand up to abuse.
5. Can you get at all the systems? If you need to replace electrical wiring, or burst a hose, can you unscrew or lift a panel to gain access to these things? That includes the inside corner of the hull to deck joint where wires may run, floor boards (fiberglass pan?), under berths (if you had to replace a tank could you? - Or do you have to cut fiberglass to get it out?). Can you get at the fasteners of all deck fittings? One day they will leak and you must recaulk them.
6. Windows. Do they open? Or are they so huge that they must be custom made to replace? No cross ventilation? Too big to withstand heavy seas? Potential to leak? Light enough in cabin?
7. Cabin safety: Handrails? Things to hold on to that won't break in those tough conditions? If you fall into the table (if center mounted) will you knock it over or will it stop you from falling further?
8. Engine: Good access? Are filters, dipsticks, etc. easy to get at for checking and changing? Or do you need to hire a child to find them? Is the fuel capacity enough to get you where you need to go between fill ups? Sail drive or shaft? Know the differences and advantages of each.
9. Galley and head tankage. Enough for how long you will be gone on board for cruises? Are there pumps for each function, or are there manifold valves connecting different jobs to one pump (means you have to shut all but the one you want to use for it to work). It is good to have a pump for each task, I think.
10. Mast support....can you see where all the shrouds attach to the hull or bulkheads to determine if there is any deterioration down the road? Or do you have to take the boat apart to access this sort of thing?
I really can go on and on, but I think you know that there are a lot of things to think about besides if the cushions are the right color, or if the price is right. It might be right, but then you find you have something you really don't appreciate or it doesn't accommodate your needs, or the thing won't tack unless you turn on the motor, or it won't point, or this or that.
 
Jan 1, 2006
7,639
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
I agree with Liam. BUY THE BOAT YOU WANT! You are already spending close to the same amount of money. Get what you want.
 
Feb 9, 2010
30
Undecided 30' Something Oyster Bay, NY
To the OP, if you're comparing a Hunter to a Catalina 309, I think the Hunter 31 would be a more suitable candidate than the 306.

I can only offer my reasons why I prefer the Catalina over the Hunter and you may or may not have the same concerns or the same budget.

Why I prefer the Catalina:
- Lead keel vs cast iron on Hunter
- Inboard chain plates vs outboard on Hunter
- Deck mounted traveler vs arch on Hunter
- Solid teak doors and cabinetry vs laminate on Hunter
- 3 sided engine access
- "Hidden" compression post giving cabin a more open feeling
- Standard fridge vs icebox on Hunter

Why my wife prefers the Hunter:
- Lower price
- Aft Cabin

Whichever you decide, be happy with your decision and enjoy!
 
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