Outhaul tension for cruising

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Jan 27, 2008
3,086
ODay 35 Beaufort, NC
Party Time

Hey, if the outhaul block fails you will not likely plunge to your death on the rocks below. You don't need a block. Just take a short length of line and tie your outhaul to the end of the boom with a granny knot and then GO SAILING. Keep a sharp knife on your belt to cut the line in an emergency.

I am pleased to report that SBO is planning a virtual party in honor of your first sail!! All SBO members will be invited.

The last lines could be true if in fact the SBO was planning a virtual party, but we will just have to wait and see if a real announcement is published. I think Hermit Scott putting up a sail and turning off the motor should be a cause for celebration. Who wants to be on the party planning committee?
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
It's truly unbelievable that so many post can be made with such vehement opinions about something as simple as outhaul adjustment.

You have two choices. Make the needed adjustments when or if you feel the need. Or tie it off and forget that the adjustment even exists. It's that simple.

If you want to learn about sail trim go to the Sail Trim forum on this site and discuss it with Don Guillette.
 
Sep 25, 2008
2,288
C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
This is a lot of pressure but I thrive on pressure! Next Saturday Event Horizon WILL hoist canas and carry us across the bay in the peaceful sound of only the wind!
 
Dec 9, 2008
426
1980 Hunter 30 "Denali" Seaford, VA
when you do, I think you need to update your avatar picture... same thing just heeling about 20-30 degrees :dance:
 
Oct 26, 2008
6,295
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
Bring control lines to the cockpit ...

Hermit, I think it is important to bring control lines back to the cockpit because if you don't the likelyhood of using the controls would be greatly diminished. Particularly, the vang ... I found that it was useless when the control line was not brought back to a winch. There was simply no way to effectuate any kind of control without the purchase that a winch provides. The same goes for the outhaul in certain situations. Anyway, the only control line I don't have from the cockpit is the topping lift and Roger Long has been convincing me that it should be controlled from the cockpit as well.

There are reasons both for and against the halyards being led to the cockpit. I think those that single-hand a lot like the halyard leading back. Many prefer the halyard hoisted at the mast on mast-mounted winches. This certainly reduces the clutter of halyards coiled and left to hang in the cockpit as I do (I normally drape them over the winch and have to move them whenever making control line adjustments - probably a reason why I get dirty looks from my wife when I suggest she make an adjustment ;)). When the winches are mounted on the mast, there is far less friction loss from the turns, which is a good reason why many sailors like it that way. I don't have mast mounted winches so I don't have that option. I would guess that it is very important for the blocks at the base of the mast to be of a quality where friction losses are minimized. You still have friction losses thru the deck organizers and it is important for the runs to be efficient as well.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,055
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
I agree with Scott, and I sent Hermit lotsa pictures

of our setup by direct email this morning.

Jib Halyards: Most folks have jib furlers and why they continue to waste valuable real estate by bringing their jib halyards back is beyond me. It's a line that rarely gets touched all year. Some folks are purists or have read the instructions!!!, so they release their jib halyards at the end of each sail to minimize stress of the luff of the jib. We've found a "better way" - we have a line pennant at the foot of our jib, since it's high off the deck for visibility and the head of the jib is connected as high as possible; we simply release the line pennant at the end of the day before we roll the jib up, and tighten it when we unfurl the jib at the start of each day. If we're out for a few days in a row, we leave it tight. The line's a thin 3/16 (?) Spectra with a few loops through the furler's D shackle above the drum and the clew - simple. My two jib halyards are on separate cleats on the mast. Oh, yeah, you can also release the tension by using the halyards - gee, who woulda thunk!

Main halyards: People say "I keep it at the mast for raising, don't need to bring it back" but then ya gotta go back up for lowering it. That's Plain Old Nuts. Run it back. You can still raise it at the mast, whether singlehanding or with crew, but the beauty, at the end of the day, is to just drop it from the cockpit. Here's a nifty idea (we use a cleat but this is way better): http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,4946.0.html
 
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Sep 25, 2008
2,288
C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
Stu-the arrangement you have with the ropes to control your traveller is sick. Where do they run back to? And how does it work in practice? Thanks for the pics, it gives me something to aspire for.
One other question; do I need a down haul or can I lock the boom in place and tension it with the halyard?
I need spin locks for everything but I don't want to pay that much for them. I am thinking of having a piece of aluminum with holes drilled horizontaly for the ropes to pass through, then have cam cleats on the back side, staggered to give me room to add some arms on them so I can just pinch them togetherabove the ropes to release them. Then pinch them together and lay the rope in between the cams to grip it. It's not as easy as a rope clutch but much more affordable to me.
 
Sep 25, 2008
2,288
C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
when you do, I think you need to update your avatar picture... same thing just heeling about 20-30 degrees :dance:
I need to update it anyway. The bimini was nearly ripped from the boat by the wind on my way to the boat yard. That's why it was haphazzardly tied to the bimini bows like it is in the avatar. Since I had the seams resewn, it's up and pulled tight. I never undo it or take it down. It's kind of an experiment to see how long it will last. It's also kind of from laziness.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,055
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Cabintop Clutches for Lines Led Aft

1. the arrangement you have with the ropes to control your traveller is sick. Where do they run back to?
2. do I need a down haul or can I lock the boom in place and tension it with the halyard?
3. I need spin locks for everything but I don't want to pay that much for them. I am thinking of having a piece of aluminum with holes drilled horizontaly for the ropes to pass through, then have cam cleats on the back side, staggered to give me room to add some arms on them so I can just pinch them together above the ropes to release them. Then pinch them together and lay the rope in between the cams to grip it. It's not as easy as a rope clutch but much more affordable to me.
1. I guess you mean something other than sick! Anyway, if you look closely the traveler control lines run aft (through the "invisible" dodger!!! - remember it was down) to a bullet fairlead midway on the cabintop between the the aft edge of the cabintop, and then to cam cleats on the aft end of the cabintops. A better solution is to have swiveling cam cleats.
2. I have no idea what your goose neck condition is so how can I answer that? If it's floating, you need to secure it, either physically or with a downhaul.
3. "There you go again!" Sometime "creativity" is a good idea but that one sounds like a disaster. Trying to get to the end result without taking the "baby steps" first can be misguided. There are thousands of boats sailing out there, hermit, without the lines led aft. If I were you, what I would do is make a list of everything you eventually want to run aft, and then make a plan to do so over time. Here's what I have, many of which lines you do not even have in mind or may even know about yet; we also have double line slab (jiffy) reefing.

Port side

cunningham in swivel cam cleat
boom vang in swivel cam cleat
second reef tack
second reef clew
first reef clew

Starboard side

mainsheet - many people don't use clutches for this, I promote it, leave it open when sailing, gives much better fairlead to the winch than Catalina's old stupid gray clam cleat
first reef tack
main halyard
lazy jacks in swivel cam cleat
empty unused swivel cam cleat

So, first of all unless you've already arranged your reefing, most folks use single line reefing so you eliminate two right there. What I suggest is you carefully consider double line reefing but you don't need clutches for this right away, regular horn cleats would suffice forever if necessary since the original factory arrangement for reefing was double line but at the boom.

You most likely don't have a cunningham, yet. You should have a vang, but could live with an upside down four part tackle with the cam cleat on a fiddle block on the boom, rather than the mast. You already have the mainsheet coming back. I also commented on jib halyards earlier today, here: http://forums.catalina.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?p=655678#post655678

Start thinking, then do it right, please. You just don't have all that much stuff, right now.

Also, forget Spinlocks, they're way too expensive. Garhauer makes great stuff and you can get triple ganged sheet stoppers or build them up one at a time, your pocketbook, your choice! Price them out online. BTW that's what we have, right 'dere in those flix!

Glad the pictures helped.

PS If you go out without a reefing set up, at least the first one, please understand that we do NOT talk to you EVER again. I don't wanna read another one of your f-ing horror stories that scares Jeanette out of her socks. Are we clear here?
 
Sep 25, 2008
2,288
C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
Stu- sick=groovey or depending on your date of manufature sick=cats pajamas

I have one reef point. I guess the only way to reef the sail down is to stand up by the mast. The clew has a 90 degree turning block. The tack would be easy enough to reef down at the mast.
I'm off to the boat. I'll check back tomorrow night.
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
Hermit

...umm, do you have an outhaul adjustment on that....uh bimini and do you have to adjust it more than once a season? Or are you the 'set it and forget it' kinda sailor ;)??

...just a little nautical humor!! :D
 
Sep 25, 2008
2,288
C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
The outhaul for the bimini is a Harken racing bimini outhaul. It's for serious racers only.
 
Sep 25, 2008
2,288
C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
Bimini outhaul and bimini cunningham both have automatic adjustments, so I don't ever have to adjust them.

When we first got underway I noticed the foot of the main was bunched up in places. So I went to the mast to adjust the outhaul. It was completely slack and jammed up. Everyone looked suprised that they had an outhaul. It was light wind that day but since it's usually blowin' like the devil I pulled it kind of tight, because I know those guys would never adjust it again.
 
Sep 25, 2008
2,288
C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
I forgot to loosen the topping lift on the way out into the bay. That added a 1/2 knot when my crew remembered.
we didn't mess with the outhaul at all. But we did use RichH's suggestion to trim the sails; keep tring things until the boat goes faster. Simple yet elegant.
 
Sep 25, 2008
2,288
C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
Sailing today, I tried messing with the outhaul. I don't think it made much of a difference. I think if I had a loose footed main I would see dramatic differences in speed but with the sail I have with a bolt rope in the foot, the out haul tension didn't seem to affect the shape enough to make it worth messing with.
I don't think I will run that line to the cockpit.
 
Dec 4, 2008
264
Other people's boats - Milford, CT
Hermit,

Even with a loose footed main you won't get huge amounts of difference using the outhaul unless 1) it's really blowing and you want to really crank down the outhaul to flatten the main, or 2) it's really light and you want to round it for power. Any other time and you have to be racing to worry about the .1-.2 knot speed change.

For high winds, just make sure that there is enough purchase to crank down on the outhaul.
 
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