M.O.B. SF Bay

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Jun 4, 2004
273
Oday 25 Alameda
I caught a merman this past weekend in the central bay. I've read about the methods and thought about how I'd go about it if someone fell off my boat but have to say, once things are really in motion everything goes out the window.

At about 4:00 pm in the slot a mile east of Pier 39, I was heading south going home when I saw a sailboat west of me with an out of control headsail . I assumed they had lost their sheet; the boat was doing pirouettes and I thought they were passing through the wind to snag the line.

Then I saw someone hanging over the stern rail making a tossing motion and realized they had a man overboard. The central bay was empty at this point; the wind at Angel Island was 20kts with gusts to 26 and the bay was a washing machine having been worked up all afternoon.

I headed toward the boat with no idea what I would do other than watch. The boat was a 40+ foot sloop and they had thrown a number of articles trying to get flotation to the victim. Between the waves I could see the black dot that was his head. He had gone overboard without a pfd and was treading water. He'd be ok for a moment and then get a wave of water over his head and re-emerge.

I called the coast guard on 16 to say I was witnessing an MOB. I hadn't heard anything on the radio but I was listening to vessel traffic on 14 so wasn't sure if they were aware. There were two or three other people on the mob's boat so someone could have called it in but hadn't.

I kept edging closer and after another failed pass by the big boat it seemed I was close enough to do something. I went to throw my one required throw-able but even with the guy 20 feet away it was obvious I was too far to do any good.

With the wind and waves the only way to get anything to the man was to maneuver my boat close enough to run him down. I had dropped sail all over the deck. The windage from my freeboard/dropped sails and water action made it hard to steer with the outboard digging in half the time.

The man couldn't have been more than 5 feet from the rail when I made the throw. I winged it like a frisbee and managed to get it just a few feet from him so I thought I'd done good. Watching him tread water trying to chase a cushion being blown downwind just out of reach was a moment of dread. It really was only a moment before he grabbed the square. It was good to see that he knew how to hold on with his arms through the loops clutching it to his chest.

I don't carry a lifesling. I never figured I'd need one since I sail alone or have guest wear inflatables with built in harness.

I had to tie off a spinnaker sheet and toss the end; that took two more passes. In the meantime the other boat had drifted off downwind out of range. My attention was on the mob so I don't know what his crew was thinking or doing.

The man got the spinnaker sheet wrapped around his wrists to hold on and got alongside my boat. I realized then that there is absolutely no way to lift 200 pounds up 3 feet of freeboard with muscle alone. My personal plan had been to pass a line to a fallen guest assuming they would be able to tie off to their harness then winch them up using the boom end as a lifting point.

I had contact with the coast guard a couple of times while scurrying around and let them know I had the guy but was having trouble getting him out of the water. I was fashioning a loop in another sheet for a sling when I looked up and four CC RIBS were alongside.

One went to retrieve all the floating upholstery and the others formed an upwind semi circle. Even they had trouble with a throw bag from 15 feet. It doesn't sound far to throw a bag but they had to take their time to line things up. One the second try the line was out of the bag so the coastie dipped the line to weigh it down and that was really great; the line pays out like it's filled with lead.

The man was dragged aboard the RIB by his wrists and that's the last I saw of him. When I looked around for the victim's boat, they had set sail and were sailing north toward east Angel Island and were already more than a half mile away-LEAVING THE SCENE!!!

One of the CC boats went after the sailboat but I don't know what happened after that. I had enough to get back under way. I'd lost the main halyard while trying to construct a solution so sailed south with a flopped main and jib alone.

Reading books and internet sites like this provides a lot of raw information. Seeing it first hand is something else. There is just no way to communicate that.

On the plus side my mob was healthy, strong, and was a familiar with procedure. He offered suggestions and helped to keep me moving forward with the process even though he had been swallowing sea water and not feeling so hot. The total time from him falling in to being hauled out was about 15 minutes. Things could have been much worse; he could have been drunk, out of shape, inexperienced and starting to go under.

I'm glad I didn't know the guy. If it had been a friend or relative I'd have had even more on my mind. I'm thankful I got to pop my cherry on a stranger first.

The only conclusion I've drawn is I need to get a lifesling just in case.
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
Good job on the MOB recovery assistance...

Getting the MOB aboard is always the hardest part of the recovery. Having little leverage and a soaking wet MOB, who is often less than agile and responsive, often make hauling someone aboard a boat with more than a foot of freeboard close to impossible. If you have end-boom sheeting, the main sheet can often be used to haul the MOB aboard.

The LifeSling is probably one of the best MOB recovery devices ever made. However, it generally needs a billy or block and tackle for it to be really useful.

I'm surprised that the boat he fell off of left the scene... that's a bit irresponsible IMHO, without making sure that he was actually aboard another boat.

A couple of things that make MOB recoveries much more difficult. Cold water is one, since hypothermia sets in far faster than most people realize. Cold air temps are also a problem, but not as bad as cold water generally, due to the heat transfer differential. Heavy seas are also an issue.

Not wearing a PFD is also a huge problem for several reasons: first, the MOB has to swim, which causes them to lose body heat a lot faster; second, it is a lot harder to stay afloat without a PFD; finally, most PFDs help keep the body insulated a bit better.
 
Dec 2, 1997
9,011
- - LIttle Rock
An incredible story!

You're a true hero! You didn't think about becoming one...you became one the same way all heroes do: by accident. You just happened to be in the right place at the right time to save a life...and you did so by keeping your head, thinking through what you needed to do...and then doing it!

We're all VERY proud to know you!
 

Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
3,626
Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
Nice work Ed. Like SF Bay, not much time in the water before hyperthermia in Maine waters even in the summer.

I came across floating debris from a boat that had exploded once. I am not sure if the crew made it or not but it was very eerie seeing boat parts strew about the surface off shore. We looked for people and radioed the CG but they said they knew all about it. Evidently happened earlier in the day.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
I thin k that the thing to keep in mind is that MOB isn't likely to happen with blue skies and five knot breezes. It always happen at the worst posible times.
 
Sep 20, 2006
2,953
Hunter 33 Georgian Bay, Ontario, Canada
In Canada, the life sling is not an approved lifebuoy. Any boat 8m up to 12m ( 25 ft. - 37ft.) must have a lifering with 50 ft. buoyant line attached as well as another 50 ft. buoyant heaving line. You also require a reboarding device if the deck is above .5m ( 1.5 ft.)

At least with the line attached to the lifebuoy or life sling you can drop the life ring and circle the victim as you would a waterskier.

Another great device, I think, is the Mustang throw stick. It's essentially an inflatable life ring on a stick, that self inflates when it hits the water. You can toss it much further and more acurately than any other floating cushion, life ring, or even pfd.


Mustang Rescue Stick
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
I disagree... most MOB situations I've seen were in blue sky/relatively light wind conditions, mainly because I think people let their guard down and get complacent...and then have it happen. That's probably also why you see MOB situations in fairly protected waters.

I thin k that the thing to keep in mind is that MOB isn't likely to happen with blue skies and five knot breezes. It always happen at the worst posible times.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
I disagree... most MOB situations I've seen were in blue sky/relatively light wind conditions, mainly because I think people let their guard down and get complacent...and then have it happen. That's probably also why you see MOB situations in fairly protected waters.
Sitting on the rail a drinking a beer or just enjoying and lose balance and topple over the side . I can see that happening. I should think that recovery was rather straight forward.
 

caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
4,004
Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
Napa ED do you have a stern ladder? If not would one have been useful? I have one on my boat since I solo most of the time. I have some concerns about its usefulness in rough waters. Any thoughts on the matter?
BTW nice job of getting involved and not just standing by.
 
May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
I second what Peggy said

Even though in your mind, you just did what was called for, without loosing your head, you did more than likely save a life. Congratulations. May the sailing Gods smile down on you.
It is amazing how many people get themselves in trouble on the water, most of the time with no reason. Rarely a day goes by sailing that at least one call for help isn't heard on VHF, and I have a neighbor who is a water patrol officer, and the stories he tells are funny, and many times very sad. This also goes to show that it is virtually impossible to get back in a boat by yourself. And one that is underway, there just is no way. I am the worlds worst about not wearing a PFD on board, nor a harness, but when it gets snotty I certainly have one on, and am clipped in so there is no way I can end up in the water.
 

John

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Jun 3, 2006
803
Catalina 36mkII Alameda CA
I had a guy helping me around our boat the other day. He's a bit older and not in the best of shape. He must have lost his balance, because he fell in the water. I've just had minor surgery on my arm so I could only use one arm to help him get back up on the dock. I almost couldn't do it. Gives me a little idea how difficult it must be getting somebody aboard a boat.

On another aspect of this: Our boat has a step-through transom and a swim platform, which is of course down low to the water. But I've been told that it's a bad idea to try to get a crew overboard back on the boat from the transom in rough seas because they can get caught underneath it and get slammed in the head as the boat pitches up and down. Does anybody have any thoughts on this?
 
Jun 4, 2004
273
Oday 25 Alameda
Napa ED do you have a stern ladder? If not would one have been useful? I have one on my boat since I solo most of the time. I have some concerns about its usefulness in rough waters. Any thoughts on the matter?
BTW nice job of getting involved and not just standing by.
I don't have a ladder but should. I assume I'll always stay in the boat, which is wishful thinking. A Pacific Seacraft Flicka on the next finger has two stern ladders; one on each side of the rudder. Also a nice padeye in the cockpit to attach a tether. I look at it everytime I go to my boat and think I should get around to making some improvements. (woulda shoulda coulda)

In this situation I think it would have been hard to get a footing with a ladder and not get beat up trying. It would have been nice to have the option. The boat was moving like a hobby horse. I asked the guy if he shouldn't let out some line to get away from the hull but he was sure that he wanted to be close. Getting rubbed raw is one thing, getting banged up is another. He went for the rubbing.

I talked to someone the next day who was on a boat where the skipper fell off the back of an express 27 with a tether. He was attached to a jackline but the jackline ran the boat length rather than termimating in the forward part of the cockpit. He stayed attached to the boat but at a price. Everytime the stern raised up he was sucked under the transom. When the stern came back down he had to fend off the rudder.

I alway use a tether but am not using it properly. I should have a padeye in the cockpit instead of clipping to the lifeline.

The photo shows my everyday setup. Close but needs work. Yes I feel like a dork but I'm not a great swimmer.
 

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Sep 25, 2008
2,288
C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
great job Ed. I'm sure you would have figured a way to get that guy aboard. But having a method prepared before hand would be a good idea. I will make practicing MOB drill a priority because of this story you have told. you may have helped save other lives in the future.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,353
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
I had a guy helping me around our boat the other day. He's a bit older and not in the best of shape. He must have lost his balance, because he fell in the water. I've just had minor surgery on my arm so I could only use one arm to help him get back up on the dock. I almost couldn't do it. Gives me a little idea how difficult it must be getting somebody aboard a boat.
John, glad you and your friend are OK. In the stress of the moment it could not be so apparent to have used your swim ladder to get him back, unless that's what you did. Hope you arm is OK. Your particular dock is kinda a "hazard to navigation.":)
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,353
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Welld done and

well described.

Congratulations and I'm proud to sail the same waters with you, Ed.
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
Good Job, Ed!

Reading your story gets one to thinking about what would happen if one came across a similar situation, or even if one was in the water themselves.

When you see something that "doesn't look quite right" is pays to look a little closer. Like you said, flogging jib "could" be a sheet problem, and usually it is, but obviously not always. It was lucky for them that you were a thinking person and checked a little bit further.

Getting someone out of the water and even onto a dock with only one foot of freeboard is a real problem. That is one reason why our state has a requirement for ladders for every so many feet of dock. Moving along to a boat on the water, and choppy water at that, and it's a real problem.

As for the question about boarding from the stern on rough water, and fortunately I've never had to do this, but getting a head-knock by the stern is a possibility. Our boat has the walk-through transom with a drop-down swim ladder and I think this would be a real plus. I've looked at how the stern moves in rough water, even in very rough conditions, and it never comes up very high. With the ladder down it should really help keep a person away from the stern, though. For a man-overboard situation this would be a real plus.

I tried to find a Coast Guard report about your incident and couldn't find anything that new. The newest report was "2 sailboat racers rescued after capsizing" by Carl Nolte, [San Francisco] Chronicle Staff Writer dated Tuesday, March 31, 2009. Didn't provide a link due to Internet policy but one can do a search for it. This is a really good story about a couple guys who capsized (or wrecked, per the article) their 26 footer. Really good story - same weekend as your rescue. 40 mph winds, 12 foot waves.

Couple more search words: Heat Wave [boat name], Wilhite, and Cervai

I really like Wilhite's quote: "We knew what we had to do. We made our own luck." and a Part B: "Training, Wilhite said later, saved their lives."

As an ex-Bay sailor I know how rough it can get, both inside and outside.

Good job, Ed!
 
Aug 15, 2006
157
Beneteau 373 Toronto
Swim Ladders and Reboarding

About two years ago Sail Magazine had a series of articles about MOB procedures, based on tests conducted in San Fran bay (I think by the US Navy). They concluded that a swim ladder was not helpful in seas of more than a couple of feet. Moves up and down too much and more likely to hurt you than help you. They also concluded that getting the MOB back on board is much harder than getting him/her attached to the boat. Best procedure for this seems to be to use a halyard and a primary winch, much easier if the MOB can help out by clipping on or tying on to the halyard. The real nightmare is an unresponsive/hypothermic MOB who can't assist in the rescue. In any kind of seas the rescue becomes very difficult to impossible. This is the situation in which a professional crew lost a crew member in the North Atlantic I think two summers ago, in spite of locating and tying him on to the boat.

As for getting yourself back on to a moving boat, even if harnessed, forget about it. At any speed over two knots you are not strong enough. You will get dragged and eventually drowned. The best advice is to stay on the boat by keeping the harness short.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Re: Swim Ladders and Reboarding

I have often thought that a large fish landing net would be a good devise for retrieving a mob. Just equip it with a loop for a shackle. I ruled out a gaff. ;)
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
probably a wise idea, especially since you might be the MOB one day. :)
I have often thought that a large fish landing net would be a good devise for retrieving a mob. Just equip it with a loop for a shackle. I ruled out a gaff. ;)
 

Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
3,626
Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
If you are creative, there are many ways to get someone on board. If you are on a sailboat, a small headsail will work well to lift someone. Attach the tack and clew on the rail and attach the main halyard to the head. Use a pole(spinaker, whisker or boat hook) to push the head out, submerge it under the MOB and scoop them up. You get a 2:1 advantage lifting and the MOB can be unconsious. Rolls the MOB right up to the gunwale.
 
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