Automatic, Self Tailing, or Good Ole Winches?

May 12, 2004
1,505
Hunter Cherubini 30 New Port Richey
I think you mean fall off..... ;^)
Unless I'm missing something I think Charlie was right. When I need to sheet in quickly I will head up to relieve pressure on the genny and pull the sheet in, then fall off. Don't like to do this very often or in high winds as it beats the crap out of the sail.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Unless I'm missing something I think Charlie was right. When I need to sheet in quickly I will head up to relieve pressure on the genny and pull the sheet in, then fall off. Don't like to do this very often or in high winds as it beats the crap out of the sail.
Ah. you guys mean LUFF. Which is to turn up momentarily. Heading up is changing direction, which would require MORE trim. Falling off will fill an under-trimmed sail.
 
Feb 8, 2014
1,300
Columbia 36 Muskegon
Heading up will cause a luff, so they're both correct terms. Not worth arguing about.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Heading up will cause a luff, so they're both correct terms. Not worth arguing about.
Heading up is a change of course. Luffing is a momentary action. Two different things, no matter what you think.
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,207
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
Automatic, as in changes gears without handle changing direction? I know those are available now.
 

DArcy

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Feb 11, 2017
1,786
Islander Freeport 36 Ottawa
Heading up is a change of course. Luffing is a momentary action. Two different things, no matter what you think.
That's an interesting interpretation JD. I don't consider "Luff" to be a momentary action at all and can happen with or without a heading change. A header can cause you to luff without changing your direction. Heading up is a change in course but may or may not result in luffing, depending on sail trim. I do agree they are two different things but are often tied together in one action.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
That's an interesting interpretation JD. I don't consider "Luff" to be a momentary action at all and can happen with or without a heading change. A header can cause you to luff without changing your direction. Heading up is a change in course but may or may not result in luffing, depending on sail trim. I do agree they are two different things but are often tied together in one action.
OK good discussion. Question, how long would you luff? Me, just seconds, to stall or avoid, or as you note trim after a shift. Heading up is a course change, like heading down. Its a combination of helm and trim change, held until you change course again.

On every boat I've been on it two different things, designed to communicate two different actions.
 

DArcy

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Feb 11, 2017
1,786
Islander Freeport 36 Ottawa
Spring isn't that far off.
Not sure I can make it that long :(

OK good discussion. Question, how long would you luff? Me, just seconds, to stall or avoid, or as you note trim after a shift. Heading up is a course change, like heading down. Its a combination of helm and trim change, held until you change course again.

On every boat I've been on it two different things, designed to communicate two different actions.
I suppose it depends on conditions and your objectives. Sometimes I'll luff for quite a while to reduce power in a puff or just to get to the mark because sometimes that's faster than stopping to reef. Of course, that's not really luffing, it's pinching. Hmm, maybe luffing is a momentary condition. Any more than 3 Mississippis and it's pinching :)
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,203
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Well, this is fun! On my boat, I have one powered Lewmar for halyard duty. However, she will work manually with two speeds just like the sheet winches and the smaller halyard winch. I guess it depends on the manufacturer and the year and model. It is wonderful for raising that big main. I don't let crew touch the switch; way too easy to rip something up if you are not watching carefully and listening to the tension. (Yes, you can hear the motor sound differently as the load increases or decreases.)
 
Jan 1, 2006
7,981
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
Of course, that's not really luffing, it's pinching. Hmm, maybe luffing is a momentary condition. Any more than 3 Mississippis and it's pinching :)[/QUOTE]
No I think pinching occurs well before luffing. Luffing is death to boat speed. You can get away with it on heavier boats with momentum but it is a slow death in racing especially PHRF.
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
24,519
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Back to what @Capt jgw said, Self Tailing winches may not have been invented in 69 but they were available in the 70's and they make Solo/short handed sailing feasible and safer. Along with the advent of the Auto Pilot.
 
Mar 1, 2012
2,182
1961 Rhodes Meridian 25 Texas coast
agree big time on the auto pilot- I've done the ICW, tip of Texas to Annapolis and back twice, and one way was single hand. NO way on earth I could have without an auto pilot
 
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Gene S

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Nov 29, 2015
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Delphia 37 Tacoma
My boat came with 4 2 speed self-tailers. I love them as I sail single handed. If I need to let out some line its easy to release it from the top. No need for cleats.
 
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