New Furler Question

Aug 3, 2012
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Performance Cruising Telstar 28 302 Watkins Glen
Ya know... I just happen to have an unused Furlex 200s setup that came with my project boat. The original owner removed the factory Furlex in favor of... wait for a it... a jib boom. Ugh! Only problem is that I did not get the foil sections. Unfortunately, the original owner never passed them on, just the other parts... I have them, basically new. You would have to buy foil sections. For my boat, that would be ~900 with shipping, so I just went with a new rig.
Would this be of interest to you? PM me if so!
 
Oct 26, 2008
6,432
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
So I will see what a new Furlex costs and decide from there.
Good idea, we can compare later on. I suspect that you will be happier with an upgraded system.
It will be good to be back in the water soon!
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,311
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
I don't understand the "bang for the buck" line of reasoning... and the consequent argument just to support buying something because it's cheaper.

The CDI system is not in the same category as the conventional rigid foil units by Harken, ProFurl, Shaeffer, Furlex, etc. Check this link to TheSailWarehouse and click on "headsail furling". FF4 with bearing kit is $810. Complete Profurl C290 package is $1079 with your choice of tangs for drum mounting height. The foil is high quality alloy.... not plastic.... So you save about $270.... but to me the ProFurl is the winner in the "bang for the buck" challenge.

Ward, just to follow up on my "not removing the sail" comment: It was not really directed at sail changes while sailing... but rather at the tendency to leave the sail rigged year round rather than take it down during long periods of non use.

Whatever you decide.... good luck.... have a blast.
 

Ward H

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Nov 7, 2011
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Catalina 30 Mk II Cedar Creek, Bayville NJ
And yes the safety factor. If your head stay parts , often the halyard and the luff of the headsail will hold the rig up long enough for you to take the load off. A CDI system will simply fall down.
Another factor to consider.
 

Ward H

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Nov 7, 2011
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Catalina 30 Mk II Cedar Creek, Bayville NJ
I don't understand the "bang for the buck" line of reasoning... and the consequent argument just to support buying something because it's cheaper.
Yes, I don't either. As I said, after I got over the shock of having to spend more boat bucks this spring, I went back to my philosophy of always looking at the middle or higher grade item. (I thought I was going to get off without spending much this season. Foolish me.) I've been trying to set this boat up right and as jack daw said, the CDI would probably be a step backwards rather than retaining the same or moving forward.
@Joe Thanks for clearing up that statement about leaving sails on year round.

@Scott T-Bird Spring is coming, I can feel it. Hoping for an early May splash. Cathy loves being around the yard in the spring listening to Rich barking orders and throwing out jokes/comments that you really need to think about.
 
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Jul 7, 2004
8,534
Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
Regarding the "not removing the sail" concern of the CDI. The headsail can be removed when not used for long periods. You just tie a messenger line to the halyard before you drop the sail. I had a non-bearing FF2 for over 10 trouble-free years on the Mac. But if you want better performance from your headsail, get a different system with a 'tensionable' luff.
 

Ward H

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Nov 7, 2011
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Catalina 30 Mk II Cedar Creek, Bayville NJ
OK, the quote for the newest version of the Furlex 100S, 104S I believe, (should have written it down) was $700 more than the CDI plus forestay. (The Furlex includes the forestay).
Rich and I talked a bit about how I use my boat and the advantages of the Furlex over the CDI. With that and your input here, I'm feeling pretty good about going with another Furlex and new over trying to refurb mine.

But, I'm still interested in your comments before I give Rich the final go ahead.
 
Apr 26, 2015
663
S2 26 Mid On Trailer
My O'Day 23 came with a Schaefer Snapfurl CF500. I had my doubts about it but after 2 years rolling a new stiff 135 genoa a couple of times a week I can say it works. It rolls the sail the same each time and has never wrapped the halyard or had any other problem. If it looks like we are going to have strong wind for a week or so I do change sails.

The larger CF700 has alloy drum but still has the plastic sleeve around the head stay which can be installed without taking the mast down. A neighbor installed one in a couple of hours last month. They say you can't reuse the plastic sleeve if you replace the head stay but I forgot to read that paragraph. I slipped them end for end and reinstalled the same way in my backyard and it still works as before. I've seen the CF 700 for under a grand. My S2 26 Mid project will need a furler next winter season so I'm watching the comments here. Just a little more input.
 
Jun 8, 2004
10,536
-na -NA Anywhere USA
Jackdaw, with any system properly maintained and serviced, systems will work to include CDI. Over the years as a dealer, I have seen so much and only if you had been there with me to have seen what I saw which is why I make the statement above, CDI on my trailerable boats was the way to go for the application and if properly maintained there were very minimal issues just like the others. You would be surprised who said it was a good system. So I have to disagree with you but trailerable sailboats I use to sell were not designed for racing and the application was good for me. At least we can agree to disagree.

Ward, you said one thing that caught my eye and it is the confidence and trust you have in your rigger, Rich, and that alone is worth a million in my books as so many out there will try to sell you anything not caring about the customer and it sounds Rich is one whom can be trusted. Like I said, it is you buying a furler and what ever you do, buy one that will fit your needs and one that it appears will be serviced by one whom you trust.
As for Jackdaw I do trust and value his good comments and judgement which he has helped so many over the years with his great knowledge of boats, systems and racing. Thank you Jackdaw for all of the controbutions and keep me them coming sir.
 
Jul 22, 2011
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Mariner Yacht Co.(NH) Mariner 28 Atlantic Highlands, NJ
Ward,
Call Dave at Cedar Creek Marina(NJ). He is a fantastic rigger, and I always leave thinking he should have charged more. He will give you straight advice. His prices have always been more than fair.
lou
 

Ward H

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Nov 7, 2011
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Catalina 30 Mk II Cedar Creek, Bayville NJ
Lou, Is that the same Dave who did the rigging for John Eggers Sailmaking?
Rich, marina owner and yard guy, uses a rigger named Dave for all the rigging for the yard. I know Dave has or had an association with John Eggars Sailmaking, as he is the one who installed the original Furlex that is being replaced. I'll make the call and find out.
 
Oct 26, 2008
6,432
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
Same person ... he is the "Dave" that I am referencing. lillia, you echo my impression, but you didn't need to publish that thought about charging more. ;)
 
Jul 22, 2011
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Mariner Yacht Co.(NH) Mariner 28 Atlantic Highlands, NJ
Scott,
Hey, it's a secret between you and me! Although I have told him he doesn't charge enough, and he still doesn't.
I had ordered a new main just before Sandy (2012). Well the boat was wrecked in the storm. I called to see about canceling the order and got a full refund. You don't see that very often.
I'm wintering at Beaton's, and got a slip in Highlands. If you need a spare hand or want to do a Skyline cruise, let me know.
Lou
 

BobM

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Jun 10, 2004
3,269
S2 9.2A Winthrop, MA
I had a CDI on my last boat, maybe I had jt set up wrong, but in strong wind it caused or allowed the mast to pump something fierce. I wzs looking at an Alado, which seems easy to install, but the old Hood Seafurl I have has a top bearing, which improves sail shape when reefed. But in truth I rarely reef so I may not give that too much consideration.
 

JRacer

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Aug 9, 2011
1,393
Beneteau 310 Cheney KS (Wichita)
The 100s is so much better a product. I would referb your existing unit instead of buying the CDI. Sounds like the rigger just wants to sell a new unit.
Agree. Have you talked to Selden about parts and a refurb?

I replaced my OEM Facnor furler with a Selden 200S.
 

Ward H

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Nov 7, 2011
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Catalina 30 Mk II Cedar Creek, Bayville NJ
Since this thread came up again I will give you an update.
I went ahead and had the Furlex 104S installed. Works great. Seems to be much smoother than the old unit, it furls/unfurls the jib well and I just feel better being able to adjust the jib halyard as needed.
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I just don't like the looks and build of the CDI, despite their popularity.