Blow Me Away nailed it, halyards wrapped around spreaders to eliminate clanking, this is how I my halyards off the mast at the dock.
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Yeah! Well actually I thought "yeah" because I don't need the tabs to tell me when I'm pointing to high... but then I thought of all the times I had a newbe on the boat and I explained how we needed to tack in order to sail up wind... and then I said "but don't point the boat so high into the wind that that little arrow thing at the top of the mast gets between those two tabs". Then I usually go below for a beer while the newbe plays with the rudder....
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Works to stop the noise of the halyard banging on the mast. It does not stop the wind from moving the halyard. So the halyard will be rubbing against the halyard not banging. This can lead to chafing. IMO a better alternative is to tie the halyard off the mast, say to a cleat point on a shroud or to a strong point on the life lines. That way the halyard is not chafing along the length of the halyard. An alternate that I have used is to use a bungee to draw the halyard away from the mast, with a chafe guard covering the halyard where the bungee is in contact.
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Unfortunately, we don't have that many down this way. We need that lil arrow.
Pearson solved this for us by welding little supports on the lifeline stanchion bases which can also hold the halyard snap shackle. Very convenient.
jssailem
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Yep. Or snap the shackle onto the SS loops on your bow pulpit where your lifelines attach.
I use a shroud cleat, with the ring, on both std. and port shrouds at eye level when I am standing on the coach roof. Makes for an easy attachment point for the main and spare halyard and also as a cleat to tie off the flag halyards. No bangin' and pissin' the neighbors off.
Oh. You make good points.
It sucks on my boat, all halyards are fully external, so I usually foul the main halyard on both spreaders, and the jib halyard goes to the jib bag, and the other end fouled on a spreader. If I had internal halyards, it would be easy enough to put the main shackle on the pulpit.
Hmmm...
I have seen this Mobri Servo Silencer http://www.sailcare.com/mobri-servosilencer.shtml but it would have the same issues with chafe.
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Do her a favor and teach her to drive to the jib telltails. Everything she needs to know is there.
The old quote was "You don't know where you're going until you know where you've been" That must be why it's mounted backwards.
That's a common way of eliminating halyard slap... done it many times myself. The markers are reversed but who needs 'em. As Jackdaw mentioned... a set of telltales is all you really need.
I'm curious what difference it would make whether you had internal halyards if you wanted to secure them to the pulpit?
If they aren't long enough, why not have a short line for the halyard to attach to.
If it's long enough then just secure the snap shackle to whatever, run the bitter end through it and back up the line. Make a clove hitch around the line and split the halyard below and above the clove hitch with the bitter end, to make sure it doesn't slide up or down the halyard. So far that knot has held in over 60 knots of wind without any problems and we've no chafe on the halyard or mast, AND it's quiet. When I get one, I'll post a picture.
Actually, I use the Windex tabs more downwind than up. Close hauled, the tabs are not accurate enough for the final 5 degrees to get into the slot, so I use the jib telltales (as Jackdaw mentioned). Broad reaching, I look at the tabs as my danger zone. On our race boat, we call it sailing "in the box" and indicates the need for an elevated caution for accidental jibes. Our crew has specific rules for in the box sailing in areas such as helm awareness of crew movements, foredeck crew, and trimmers adopting a heads-down attitude. We've all done some dingy sailing, so know firsthand the pain of accidentally meeting the boom.
Well, for the main halyard, if I just shackled to the pulpit, then I'd still have 1/2 running down the outside of the mast to the cleat. Unless, as you suggest, I run that to the pulpit, and secure to itself.
All in all, I think that fouling mine as I do is fine in the summer at the slip, and I soothe my ego by saying mine are quiet and more considerate than people who don't foul them. As for winter, I drop the stick and remove all running rigging anyway, so it's a non-issue.
Like Bill indicates the reflective tabs are there to help with use of the Windex at night. Based on that I will correct my statement to reflect that the correct position of the tabs is to the stern of the boat. I guess if someone does not sail at night they are really not needed.