Racer not giving way

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Jan 12, 2011
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Hunter 410 full time cruiser
Every vessel with an installed VHF is required under federal law to be monitoring VHF 16.. If racers and cruisers followed the law then communication would be much more simple.. I've never been on a race boat other than a dinghy that did not have a VHF.
Be real! I guess next you will say that if I called on VHF 16 to the "blue boat at XX and XX" and he doesn't respond because no one was down below listening to the radio that he should get a ticket.
 

SFS

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Aug 18, 2015
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If no one was down below listening, then they, by definition, weren't monitoring, and therefore were in violation of the rule that MaineSail quoted. If you are in violation of the rules, should you be ticketed?
 

BayMan

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Sep 12, 2012
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Hunter 450 Unspecified
My original post discussed an event and asked two reasonable questions, answers to which would guide me for the future. Not to quibble, but I don't seen anything in it that represents "making a stink". From the number and diversity of responses it seems like it also fostered a healthy discussion that might help us all......
Yes, I have noticed that this thread has drifted to how or why a cruising boat is sailing through a race course. Not the OP question or issue at all. OP asked a simple question regarding what happens when (for whatever reason) a cruising and racing boat meet. The COLREGS answer the question and that answer doesn't depend at all on which boat is racing and which is not. Its time for the racers (and I am both racer and cruiser) to acknowledge that racers have no preference under the COLREGS and act accordingly.
 
Nov 26, 2012
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C&C 40-2 Berkeley
I've read this here a number of times from different folks.

WTF?

MILES out of your way?

Nonsense.

All you need to do is duck the racers, which takes maybe a 5 degree course change. You do NOT have to stay off the entire race course. You just have to avoid the boats that are ON the race course.

Where some people get these crazy ideas is beyond me.

I've sailed on SF Bay for over 35 years. There are usually tons of races every single Saturday & Sunday, ALL YEAR ROUND. You simply cannot avoid the races, because they are all over the Bay. You don't even have to know the courses or the marks. Just be polite and duck them, do NOT head up, like Jackdaw said, it's confusing. And you can only duck one boat at a time, deal with the second one after you pass the first one.

Close to some people means a mile. That's simply nuts.
I think you're not reading the full text. Miles out of your way if you want to avoid crossing the course altogether as some people here saying you should do. Crossing the course and avoiding the racers is the prudent choice to avoid this. That is the point.
 
Feb 6, 1998
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Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
There are always a few who feel they are above the law & the rules don't apply to them..

Be real! I guess next you will say that if I called on VHF 16 to the "blue boat at XX and XX" and he doesn't respond because no one was down below listening to the radio that he should get a ticket.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,706
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
My good friend Steve saved a mans life off Hampton Harbor a few years ago by following the law and monitoring VHF 16. They beat the USCG to the scene and saved a mans life. The other guy perished before they could get him out of the water but if Steve had not been following federal law they would both be dead and his children would be fatherless.. Apparently common sense is not as common as it once was...
 
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Jan 12, 2011
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Hunter 410 full time cruiser
OK since we have drifted so far, please post the link requiring every boat to have and monitor VHF 16
 
Jul 7, 2004
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Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
From BoatUS. Not 'official' but it's probably out there

Channel 16 - Distress calling and safety, ship-to-ship and ship-to-coast. Users must switch to a "working" channel after making initial contact (except in emergencies). All vessels must monitor Channel 16 when not using the VHF radio for other purposes.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,706
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Try again as that does not say ALL boats have to have a VHF, all it says is in general if you have one to monitor Channel 16

I'll make it easier, find a USCG checksheet for required equipment that covers all boats and has a VHF as required.

No one in this thread ever suggested all boats are required to have a VHF. Re-read the thread carefully. It was simply stated that if they do have a VHF, and most cruisers and racers do have a VHF, that they are then required by federal law to monitor it.
 
May 17, 2004
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Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
Try again as that does not say ALL boats have to have a VHF, all it says is in general if you have one to monitor Channel 16
Maine never asserted that all boats must have a VHF and have it tuned to 16, only that boats equipped must monitor 16.
 

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Sep 6, 2010
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Jeanneau 349 port washington, ny
I've read this here a number of times from different folks.

WTF?

MILES out of your way?

Nonsense.

All you need to do is duck the racers, which takes maybe a 5 degree course change. You do NOT have to stay off the entire race course. You just have to avoid the boats that are ON the race course.

Where some people get these crazy ideas is beyond me.

I've sailed on SF Bay for over 35 years. There are usually tons of races every single Saturday & Sunday, ALL YEAR ROUND. You simply cannot avoid the races, because they are all over the Bay. You don't even have to know the courses or the marks. Just be polite and duck them, do NOT head up, like Jackdaw said, it's confusing. And you can only duck one boat at a time, deal with the second one after you pass the first one.

Close to some people means a mile. That's simply nuts.
Stu,
This particular event has several courses set up simultaneously over 2 whole weekends in close proximity. Not only are there boats racing, but lots of boats waiting for their next start...probably over 200 boats in all. It really is just common sense to give them a wide berth.
 
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Dec 28, 2010
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Catalina 380 san pedro
I think that to the point of the original post... when a cruising boat and a racing boat meet, the rules apply just as always.. but both the racer and the cruiser should use common sense. In a collision it's a fact that both skippers will be held responsible to some degree. I only ask that racers should remember that cruisers may not always be as experienced as you might expect, it might be their first cruise on the new boat. Just a heads up. Be kind, considerate, and make sure it is FUN.
 
Dec 28, 2010
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Catalina 380 san pedro
It is only illegal to sail naked if it is a new moon and you are on a starboard tack within 25 degrees to the relevant wind. But there is a legal loophole that if you provide extra rations of grog to your crew then you are required to make sure your entire crew is sailing nekkid on a starboard tack any time the moon is not full. :hijack:
 
Jul 5, 2011
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Oday 28 Madison, CT
No, not that event. The OP referenced event was off Saybrook Point, probably a 10 x 5 or so mile course.
Stu,
This particular event has several courses set up simultaneously over 2 whole weekends in close proximity. Not only are there boats racing, but lots of boats waiting for their next start...probably over 200 boats in all. It really is just common sense to give them a wide berth.
 
Oct 26, 2008
6,271
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
I can't believe the people in here siding with the racers! I'm in complete agreement with Skipper. You can't just duck one ... then it's an almost never ending process of ducking and avoiding, leading to confusion when others are coming up on the position where you are ducking to. Jackdaws illogical arguments are astonishing to me.
The only logical argument is the explanation that the racing fleets have told me on Lake Hopatcong. "When you are on starboard or otherwise have ROW (there's that term!) stand your course because that is what we expect you to do" They tell me that they will either cross or duck, and it may be close, but they don't want you to change direction while they are adjusting their direction in accordance with the navigation rules. In essence, the non-racer is considered no differently than another sailboat in the race. Perhaps their positive attitude is influenced because of the realization that a race on Lake Hopatcong is inherently difficult to maneuver around. That said, I usually tried to avoid the course, but not always. After several years passing thru race courses and sometimes blundering into an awkward situation, I never once had an angry look, gesture or spoken word. Always just a friendly wave. Maybe that's cause there just aren't any a-holes on Lake Hopatcong!?!? :biggrin:
 
Oct 1, 2007
1,865
Boston Whaler Super Sport Pt. Judith
Errrr, has anyone suggested that when coming across a fleet of boats racing (pretty obvious) it might be a good idea to head off and let them sail by to windward? Why try to pick your way through a racing fleet? As for me, I simply avoid them just as I do tugs and barges.
 
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