Cruising guide for Southern BC

Feb 26, 2004
23,047
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Thanks, KG.

Terry, I know how to maneuver a boat. :) My particular question was dealing with the bollards with no cleats.
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Hope we're referring to the same thing. Here's the dock at Horseshoe Bay, BC with the wooden "bollards" of the type that Stu mentions, I believe, running along the dock. I've tied up to this very dock.
 

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Dec 25, 2000
5,932
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
Those conditions were the gist of my question, not the easy ones. :) Any pointers?
Hi Stu, the purpose of my maneuver post was more to your question here. Whether dock cleats or horizontal bollards, when conditions present themselves, my maneuvers are the same. The only difference is how I tie off. Normally, whether a horizontal beam or pipe (common in PNW waters) I make a long loop in my dock line, run it under the beam/pipe, and make two half hitches. Always works for me.
 
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Feb 26, 2004
23,047
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Normally, whether a horizontal beam or pipe (common in PNW waters) I make a long loop in my dock line, run it under the beam/pipe, and make two half hitches. Always works for me.
Thanks.

From yours and KG's replies, it appears that you get off the boat to tie it up. Around here, with cleats, I can stay on the boat.
 
Dec 25, 2000
5,932
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
It seems the proper name for what I incorrectly called a horizontal bollard is a "bull rail". This link is close to what I do when a dock has no cleat, but a bull rail to tie up to, which is common in PNW waters. And yes I always step off the boat to secure the first line, usually the midship.

Rather than a complete wrap, I bring the dock line under and over the rail to do the double half hitch.

https://captnmike.com/2012/08/06/how-to-tie-your-boat-to-a-bull-rail-part-1/
 
Jan 25, 2011
2,437
S2 11.0A Anacortes, WA
That's pretty much it. As I'm sure you know, the midship line is your best friend with a dock around here. Not to many times and it'll be synaptic..
 
Dec 25, 2000
5,932
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
Hi Richard, you are most welcome. Looking forward to your cruise log post.
 
Dec 25, 2000
5,932
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
Hi Stu, back to your question. If a standard dock cleat were always present, I suppose grabbing one while still on the boat would make sense, but around these waters each dock has its own peculiar docking device. Bull rails seem to be more common around here than cleats, thus stepping off the boat to first secure the midship line seems to work best for me.

Anyway we end up anchoring far more often than docking when we're out cruising. To us some remote anchorage offers the solitude and serenity that is absent in marina life. Even when we come into a marina I will make every effort to drop and anchor outside and dingy ashore rather than renting a slip for the night. To each his own, I suppose.

Maybe I need to rethink my docking technique and find a way to secure the boat to the dock while remaining on the boat. Docking solo, however, does present some challenges especially when wind and/or current place pressure on the boat.

What is your advice?
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,047
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
What is your advice?
Terry, thanks for that detailed description. As mentioned, my questions stemmed from exactly the bull rail issue, since my f-i-l lives in Cowichan Bay and I have boated there some for the past 20 years.

As far as singlehanding, this link is what I always provide in reply to your question. In particular, see the last sentence. :)

Single Handing 101.2 HOPPING OFF THE BOAT IS UNNECESSARY
http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,5445.msg33766.html#msg33766
http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,5445.msg33766.html#msg33766

That's why I asked! :)
 

paulj

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Mar 16, 2007
1,361
Catalina 310 Anacortes,Wa
In the last 15 years.......on my trips to Canada there are two places I do not receive any help at the dock...... ever.
Customs dock at Bedwell Harbour Canada and Customs dock Roche Harbor USA.

While in Canada I always ask for help docking, mainly because they do not have cleats....never a problem.
In Canada, I always wear leather gloves when untying the dock lines because of wood splinters.

paulj
:hook2:
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
I suppose bull rails allow docking of boats of assorted sizes together more efficiently than having a fixed number of cleats spaced out along the dock. So, it makes sense to have 'em on docks open for public use. Nevertheless, I don't see how one could use them when docking w/o getting off the boat as it comes along side the dock. I noticed in the cited reference to bull rails that the author recommended passing the boat's dock line under the rail from the outboard side of the dock, rather than over (then under) the rail from the inboard side of the dock as I mentioned above. If you're on the boat, then passing under and back from the outboard side gives you no more than a 1/2 turn against the rail; if one is on the dock holding the line you get less than that even. If "hopping" off the boat and passing the line over then under the rail and back from the inboard side gives you at least a 3/4 turn against the rail. If you're single-handing and you want to stop the boat it seems to me a 3/4+ turn on the rail is better than a 1/2 turn. Of course if the line slides down the rail until hitting the rail supports, the boat might eventually stop. Just hope that no other hapless boats are in your way!!:yikes:
 
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Dec 25, 2000
5,932
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
Terry, thanks for that detailed description. As mentioned, my questions stemmed from exactly the bull rail issue, since my f-i-l lives in Cowichan Bay and I have boated there some for the past 20 years.

As far as singlehanding, this link is what I always provide in reply to your question. In particular, see the last sentence. :)

Single Handing 101.2 HOPPING OFF THE BOAT IS UNNECESSARY
http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,5445.msg33766.html#msg33766

That's why I asked! :)
Thanks Stu for the good information gleaned from the link that you provided. I appreciate it.

Ditto what PaulJ said in his previous post. I always wear leather gloves during most boat work. Sheet trimming, furling, docking, dropping the anchor, etc. I will wear through a pair in a season.

As far as dock help goes, I prefer none. Throws my game off. However, I always graciously accept the help when offered. I prepare them though that at 35,000 pounds, Belle-Vie can be a handful and then some.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,047
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Thanks to paul j, Terry and KG for your truly helpful input. Much appreciated.
 
Dec 25, 2000
5,932
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
I suppose bull rails allow docking of boats of assorted sizes together more efficiently than having a fixed number of cleats spaced out along the dock. So, it makes sense to have 'em on docks open for public use. Nevertheless, I don't see how one could use them when docking w/o getting off the boat as it comes along side the dock. I noticed in the cited reference to bull rails that the author recommended passing the boat's dock line under the rail from the outboard side of the dock, rather than over (then under) the rail from the inboard side of the dock as I mentioned above. If you're on the boat, then passing under and back from the outboard side gives you no more than a 1/2 turn against the rail; if one is on the dock holding the line you get less than that even. If "hopping" off the boat and passing the line over then under the rail and back from the inboard side gives you at least a 3/4 turn against the rail. If you're single-handing and you want to stop the boat it seems to me a 3/4+ turn on the rail is better than a 1/2 turn. Of course if the line sides down the rail until hitting the rail supports, the boat might eventually stop. Just hope that no other hapless boats are in your way!!:yikes:
One advantage of the wooden bull rails is that even though I pass the dock line under the rail when I step off the boat with the midship cleat line the line really bites into the wood when cinched up to stop boat motion as opposed to sliding along on a galvanized pipe (uncommon). Once the boat settles in I then do the two half hitches to secure the midship before securing the bow followed by the stern. If quarters are tight I will use a spring line.
 

druid

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Apr 22, 2009
837
Ontario 32 Pender Harbour
I've always hopped off the boat with midships line in hand - never had a problem. If there's help available, I give them the midships line and TELL THEM NOT TO PULL IT TILL I TELL THEM TO. If it's really tricky and the wind's blowing my bow off, I may get them to take the bowline and I'll hop off with the stern line, but normally I use the midships line.

druid
 
Mar 2, 2008
406
Cal 25 mk II T-Bird Marina, West Vancouver
I'm with Druid. I ALWAYS set up three fenders and three dock lines on both sides and ALWAYS step off with the amidships line in hand. The only time I had a problem was when many years ago when the wind was blowing me away from the dock and an unsolicited "helper" grabbed my bow line without being asked and pulled hard before I could step off amidships. Pulling the bow line caused the boat to pivot on the forward fender and the stern to swing away from the dock. Ever seen a sailboat perpendicular to a side tie dock? Had to get him to let go and throw the line onto the bow while I went around a second time. Good thing there was lots of sea room.
 
Jun 11, 2004
1,767
Oday 31 Redondo Beach
Reviewing the responses here it looks like there are a lot of comments about it being somewhat crowded. Nice marinas, shops and pubs are good but coming from Los Angeles what I would prefer is to get away to some less crowded anchorages. Any comments or help with that?

Thanks,

Richard
 
Jan 4, 2006
7,264
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
what I would prefer is to get away to some less crowded anchorages
If you want deserted anchorages where you are ENTIRELY on your own, head for the Broughton Archipelago. Located on the mainland and at the same lat. as the north end of Vancouver Island. We've been there several times and never cease to see something new every time. Whales, bears, moose, and things that go ROAR in the night. Very interesting navigation as you're timing the passage of rapids and avoiding getting lost in thousands of islands.

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Dec 25, 2000
5,932
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
Hi Ralph, when we stopped by Lagoon Cove last year on our way north the owner, Bill's (passed away a few years ago) wife Jean, had the marina up for sale. Needs a lot of work, but for someone who wants a remote way of life, Lagoon Cove would be my choice.

And for Richard's preference to find get-aways absent people, things get really remote once you get beyond Cape Caution. Many of the places we visited last summer, our boat was the only one anchored. Of course the same applies during the off season when most boaters head back to work. Even the busiest anchorages during the summer become desolate off season.