Cockpit Drain - Update - Update

Apr 19, 2012
1,043
O'Day Daysailor 17 Nevis MN
Like in the post above, the thru hole can wind up below the waterline with weight in the cockpit or with following seas hitting the transom. I like the piece of mind with a closeable seacock there.
Interesting idea. I can see advantages in that as a back-up incase the hose should fail. Having had a V-222 and now a Mac 26d but not a V-25 I'm curious as to the accessibility of such a seacock. Neither of the Macgregors that I've owned would be accessible during an emergency.
 
Feb 8, 2014
1,300
Columbia 36 Muskegon
Most boats also squat down when motoring, especially when pushed to hull speed. That can put the through hull under water continuously, which would fill the boat really fast.
 
Mar 20, 2012
3,983
Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
Most boats also squat down when motoring, especially when pushed to hull speed. That can put the through hull under water continuously, which would fill the boat really fast.
the access to that area is very limited in a macgregor, so the addition to a valve there would be pointless (and there is not the room to install one). and yes, when pushing hard with the motor the stern squats, but no to the point where it fills the cockpit.... but if the boat is loaded a bit heavy in the rear, it can get an inch of standing water at the rear of the footwell... so the drain IS going to be submerged at this time, when normally it is above the waterline.

this only happens when really pushing fast and hard with the motor... if you go along at 3-5kts, there will be no back up in the scupper... unless you are overloaded.
 
Mar 28, 2015
184
Macgregor 25 Cherry Creek
I really like the idea of the valve but there would have to be access. So, how about a small deck plate in the back of the cockpit that can be opened to access the drain. It would only have to be big enough to get your hand into. And removeable deck plates are supposed to be water tight, right?
 
Apr 19, 2012
1,043
O'Day Daysailor 17 Nevis MN
Yes, but is it a good idea.
That's one question that has been wandering around in my head.

The other question would be "Is it worthwhile?" I've installed deck-plates but not in my Mac. I spend days contemplating pros and cons before I drill even a tiny hole in my boat. Just imagine how much time I'd need to think about cutting a 6" hole for a deck-plate.
 
Feb 8, 2014
1,300
Columbia 36 Muskegon
Only the owner can say. I kind of enjoy drilling holes in the boat, especially if its somebody else's.
 
Mar 28, 2015
184
Macgregor 25 Cherry Creek
That's one question that has been wandering around in my head.

The other question would be "Is it worthwhile?" I've installed deck-plates but not in my Mac. I spend days contemplating pros and cons before I drill even a tiny hole in my boat. Just imagine how much time I'd need to think about cutting a 6" hole for a deck-plate.
I agree. Lots of thought goes into anything, especially drilling a hole in a boat. But, I was not thinking 6 inch, maybe 4 inch. I have very skinny arms :)
 
Apr 19, 2012
1,043
O'Day Daysailor 17 Nevis MN
My V25 has open access ( except for stuff I store in that area) from the starboard cockpit hatch all the way to the transom. I know some of the 25's have a bulkhead in there that limits access to the rear, which one could remove or make an access door in.
That answers my question. With access like that a seacock might be reasonable.
 
Jul 29, 2010
1,392
Macgregor 76 V-25 #928 Lake Mead, Nevada
HI Greengas and others - If I understand correctly the hose from the cockpit sole to the transom drain on Mac 25, below water line, is not connected? If this is the case then when the boat is in the water the hull should flood, quickly! From what I can see in the pics you posted there is no hose at all? What is object with hose clamp?
 
Feb 20, 2011
8,062
Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
If I understand correctly the hose from the cockpit sole to the transom drain on Mac 25, below water line, is not connected? If this is the case then when the boat is in the water the hull should flood, quickly!
Not below the waterline, but close enough to worry about.
 
Mar 28, 2015
184
Macgregor 25 Cherry Creek
Update: Here is a photo of the hose that was still connected to the thru hole in the transom but disconnected from the cockpit drain (scupper from what I'm told). Clearly it is not the original since it is a Dayco Flex Hose. The end that goes to the scupper is flattened, but not closed. It was full of water when I removed it. Now, to an auto parts store for a replacement. Of course if anyone has a recommendation on something that would be better than just a car hose I am open to all suggestions!

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Mar 28, 2015
184
Macgregor 25 Cherry Creek
Sep 25, 2008
961
Macgregor & Island Packet VENTURE 25 & IP-38 NORTH EAST, MD
Ggas, on my V25 there was a flat, raised part of the liner there . I cut a hole in it so the plastic battery box would drop in, went in about half way up. Mounted footmans loop on each side of the box an run a strap over the lid to hold it all down. It does not move at all.
 
Feb 20, 2011
8,062
Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
Clearly it is not the original since it is a Dayco Flex Hose. The end that goes to the scupper is flattened, but not closed. It was full of water when I removed it.
The routing of the hose will normally create your "flattened" area, but should still drain quite well. Mine also has the flat area, but I've not found it to hinder drainage.
That pipe may well be original equipment.