Trailer for WING Keel

Gene Neill · Apr 11, 2015

w4swk said:
Thanks! I will check with them for options...so far I have 2 quotes for a trailer and they are all over the board. Triad wants about twice for their trailer. Are they really THAT good!

Any updates? The Admiral has made it known that she would like a new trailer.

I just now sent a contact form to Triad; their website certainly makes them LOOK head and shoulders above Sail Trailers, who I've already been in communication with but don't have an exact price from yet. I find them a little ... odd ... but we'll see. I wish their website were better, and they seem almost reluctant to build with disc brakes, let alone electric/hydraulic. They clearly stated a preference for drum brakes.

TrailRite seems solid, but they don't offer shipping, and thus far the only independent quote I got from CA to FL was around $3000.

Hawk232 gave me a couple places here in FL to try (Owens & Sons, and AmeraTrail); I'm waiting on responses from both of those. Being the weekend, it looks like I'm in a holding pattern for now.

CaptDon01 · Apr 11, 2015

Has anyone thought of contacting the Catalina Factory,(now located in Largo Florida), about a trailer? They buy them factory direct, and I'm sure they get a discount on shipping. I don't know who supplies their C-22 and Capri-22 trailers now, but it might be worth a call.

Don

Gene Neill · Apr 11, 2015

CaptDon01 said:
Has anyone thought of contacting the Catalina Factory,(now located in Largo Florida), about a trailer? They buy them factory direct, and I'm sure they get a discount on shipping. I don't know who supplies their C-22 and Capri-22 trailers now, but it might be worth a call.

Don

I did, they referred me to TrailRite.

EDIT: Here is TrailRite's price BTW, in case anyone is interested:

Single axle 3700 gvwr ST225/75R-15 tires
surge brakes/disc - jack w/caster - extension tongue
keel guide's - winch w/strap T1500 - Galvanized finish

Price as listed = $3684.00 plus tax & license
Cash discount = $3509.00 plus T & L

Fred Villiard · Apr 11, 2015

Did you try Champion Trailers? championteailers.com

CaptDon01 · Apr 11, 2015

Some things to consider, Trail-Rite I would guess, had built more C-22 trailers than anyone else. Might be because a Trail-Rite C-22 trailer is designed for a C-22 from the ground up. Not a generic trailer adapted to a C-22. Look at the drop axle, which lowers the boat for easier launching, and a lower center of gravity. Also if you look closely, the hitch and tongue extension isn't level, it's designed at an angle, so when the tongue is extended, the boat, is angled more, again to aid in launching and recovery. They are also engineered to provide the correct percentage of weight for the keel to support while on the trailer in the case of the wing keeled version trailers.

Glad to see that their trailer comes with 15" wheels. The "new design" and MK-II's are a lot heavier than we realize, and 14" rims with load range-C tires don't hack it for serious trailering.

I would bet that shipping could be much cheaper if the buyer was willing to wait, and tag along their trailer on another delivery. It would make sense that a single trailer being shipped all by itself is going to be expensive. So some patience and working with the building, might make transportation a lot more reasonable.

So when comparing trailers, yes price is a factor for sure, but make sure you're comparing apples to apples.

Don

Gene Neill · Apr 16, 2015

Well said, Don. And, just for anyone's curiosity, here is a little data. First, from Loadmaster Trailers, in Tampa:

[FONT=&quot]Based on the specifications of your boat I would recommend our single-axle trailer model [FONT=&quot]240S615SB[/FONT], constructed out of a 4" frame. Our standard trailers are custom painted any color you would like. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]This single -axle model is equipped with one 6,000 lb. drop center axle and 15" load range D radial tires. This combination provides a GVWR of 5,334 lbs., but once you subtract the weight of the trailer, the Net Payload is 4,114 lbs. This trailer is equipped with electric drum brakes, LED Lights, extra tall long reverse winch stand, tongue jack, safety break away system, structural fenders, a heavy 2 speed manual winch with 3" nylon strap, safety chains and more.[FONT=&quot] Direct price for this trailer is $4,095.00 plus tax if picked up or delivery cost.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Recommended Salt Water Options:[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]- Galvanizing of the frame, wheels, axles, springs, structural fenders etc $455[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]- Stainless Steel Hardware $250[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]- All wheel surge disc brakes $410
- Tongue Extension $295 If you stick with an electric style brake, if you want surge brakes, you cannot do the extended style tongue extension

[FONT=&quot]

[FONT=&quot]And then [FONT=&quot]f[/FONT]rom Tr[FONT=&quot]ailRite, in Santa Ana CA:

[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT] Single axle 3700 gvwr ST225/75R-15 tires
surge brakes/disc - jack w/caster - extension tongue
keel guide's - winch w/strap T1500 - Galvanized finish
Price as listed = $3684.00 plus tax & license
Cash discount = $3509.00 plus T & L

Sail Trailers, in Columbus GA, came in at about $3100 for a 5000lb galvanized trailer with keel guides, tongue extension, and drum brakes. Disc brakes were some substantial but vague amount more ... Sail Trailers does NOT like to install disc brakes. "Drum brakes are simple" is about the best reason I could get for that. FWIW, if someone wanted the CHEAPEST option, SailTrailers offers a stripped-down, base model, painted trailer for $1950.

The last quote (and the one I like best) came from Owens & Sons Trailers, in St Petersburg, makers of "Slide-On" trailers. They quoted me a 5000lb, dual axle, aluminum trailer with all stainless hardware, disc brakes (surge), torsion axles, and spare tire w/mount, for $3805 + tax. It comes with 13" rims, but I assume with four of them that would not be a problem?

Interestingly, I was just told today by TrailRite (to whom Catalina Yachts referred me!) that they do NOT build trailers for Catalina Yachts, that Catalina "uses a local builder". So, tomorrow I plan to call Catalina back once more, and try to waterboard out of them the secret identity of this "local builder". I'm honestly a little vexed that they sent me on a goose chase like that.

Ken, I think you were onto something with your "best kept secret in the Universe" comment!!

CaptDon01 · Apr 17, 2015

When Catalina Yachts was in California, Trail-Rite was a logical choice. It makes sense that the factory has a local trailer source. I would bet that Trail-Rite still builds a trailer for a C-22, just not for the factory like the did in the past.

I don't understand why Sail Trailers doesn't like disc brakes. They are far simpler than drum brakes, self adjusting, and pricing is pretty much a wash on the parts when you're buying the parts. Yes, disc brakes should have a solenoid installed for reversing, but that's a pretty simple deal, and the extra expense is well worth it in the long run.

And, on a single axle trailer, if you intend to do any serious trailering, 15" rims and Load-Range-E tires are a must on a New Design or MK-II versions. You'll be time and money ahead of the game. Do it from the start and you'll avoid blowing out Load Range-C and D tires, and damaging rims.

Don

Gene Neill · Apr 18, 2015

Ken, that sure sucks about your first trailer not working out. I'm sorry to hear that. Sounds like you did right by cutting your losses and going with a brand new one though. Nothing in the world justifies hauling two tons of boat and trailer down the highway in an unsafe manner.

Please do post some pics and a review when you take take delivery of your new trailer! I'm torn ninety ways from Sunday on which way to go here.

Gene Neill · Apr 20, 2015

Thanks, Ken. I know what you mean about spending the quality time with your boy. My son is 20 now, lives an hour away, and I see him far too rarely.

So ... at about four o'clock Friday afternoon, I finally cracked the DaVinci code!! The current manufacturer of Catalina's boat trailers is .... drum roll ... Road King Trailers, in Ocala, Florida!

Fifteen miles down the road from my house!

Road King doesn't sell direct, only through dealers. But there is a dealership even closer than the factory, if you can believe that. Here I've been, chasing after trailers from Carolina to California (literally!), and lo and behold, "the" trailer builder is walking distance away.

Gene Neill · May 19, 2015

w4swk said:
Just got off the phone with Spencer at Sail Trailers...he has finished our trailer and we will be picking it up tomorrow!!!!! We are at our winter house in Ga. and will grab the trailer as we head back to Texas. Spencer's turnaround time was within ONE day of his commitment...not bad in anyone's book as far as I'm concerned!

I will post pics as soon as possible!

Ken

Excellent!! Can't wait to see it!!

I'm waiting for that same call myself, should be any day now. I already have an eager buyer lined up for my old trailer, so I hope it's not much longer!

CloudDiver · May 20, 2015

Looks great!

Gene Neill · May 20, 2015

Yeah Baby!!!

(that was supposed to be all caps, but SBO doesn't allow shouting) LOL

robcooper0767 · May 21, 2015

Hello. Almost hard to believe I found a current thread on the exact issue I'm also looking at. 1 day old couldn't be more current!
I just sold my 1974 Pearson 30 and was looking at a Catalina 270 but really am tired of the slip/inboard whole nine yards. The Venerable and new design of the MkII seems very appealing for my wife, 6 year old and I. The 270 is very similar in size to the old P30, but Modern, and that's the goal!!!!
As nice as a 270 would be, I continue to think outboard and trailer, with nice sailing characteristics, nice boat, and good room....
So, as I look at the next boat, I keep coming back to the C22 MKII (I've sailed alot of the 22's prior to buying the P30 and they are great boats and that appeal of "no slip....trailering".
One theme I do keep coming across is the constant warning that mast raising is a (1) Pain, and (2) Takes more than 1 person. Since I want to have my cake and eat it too, on to the question:
The Sail Trailers Price and options are what I'm looking for, tandem axle, brakes (can you elaborate on what that means, you noted drums earlier, but does this mean something else?), and tongue extension.......
What I don't see, and maybe I need to be corrected here, is the "one man" mast raising system that is alluded to in the C22 MKII Brochure and Trailer Picture. I know this isn't the "stock" trailer from Road King, but does yours from Sail Trailers have the same one man system as what the Road King seems to have???
I love the Sail Trailers out the door price and research you did on quality...I'm the same way, so thanks for this thread. I just know I'll need help with raising and lowering via a trailer mechanism versus depending on my wife and 6 year old...and don't want to try to depend on "nearby folks"...that's just not a good idea.
@ Gene: Did you ever find out the Road King price? Is it competitive?
Apologize for the long question session...but thanks,
Rob

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