...in with the new!!!

[hawk232]

No "out with the old" since the RK is still around for now. Anybody want to buy it??

I went last night and picked up a 1975 C22. Lots of tapping and stomping (thanks again dixiedawg!!) on the deck and cockpit revealed little to no rot! The boat came with an impeccable galvanized trailer with extendable tongue, newer mainsail, two headsails (sizes have yet to be determined) and spinnaker, a 2002 merc 5hp with 12-15 hrs, complete interior with cushions in decent shape, 4 newish lewmar winches... all for 1100! im pretty excited! pulled into the drive at 1015 last night so I didn't have a chance to go through and see what else I may have gotten...

First order of business, the previous "artist" had problems with the keel cable mount on the keel. his solution was to drill a hole through the keel and use (what appears to be) a ZINC PLATED u-bolt to attach the cable!!! I am going to try to see if I can extract whats left of the original eye and replace it with a new one. if that is unsuccessful, any other ideas??

 

[Crazy Dave Condon]

take a photo and post it with what you have and you will get better responses. An old saying a picture is worth a thousand words.

 

[ShotgunSlim]

Welcome to the C22 family!! Sounds like you got a winner there on just the trailer alone.

 

[Brian S]

With regards to the swing keel cable, perhaps some of this will help: http://forum.trailersailor.com/post_gb.php?id=1395033#1395033

 

[hawk232]

some more general pics after going through things today

nothing like free bonuses!




weird ginny from north sails that almost looks like a tarp??? with snap hanks?????

 

[hawk232]

and here is a picture of the keel


and can anybody ID what this bracket is/would be used for on the boom?

 

[Kestle]

Remove the keel, have it sandblasted, and the immediately afterwards use the rust stuff that stops rust from continuing, then epoxy. Fair with epoxy and microbaloons (wear a respirator).

 

[Kestle]

Sorry, hit send by acciddent.

Use microballoons in the epoxy to fair it.

I've used all 316 stainless on the keel and had no problems.

Touch up the leading edge with new epoxy annually.

If the keel slaps against the hull too much, drop it and have a bushing welded at the swing hole.

Jeff

 

[Brian S]

That weird genoa is a tri-radial cut laminate racing sail. Hank on jibs get better luff tension control than roller furling, and also a finer entry for better angle of attack, so the boat would probably point better. Dunno what that bracket is, not enough picture to see context. Nice looking asym chute.

 

[hawk232]

kestle- thanks for the info. specifically I was wondering how to handle the u-bolt reapir for the broken keel cable eye bolt

brian- thanks for the good info! I was not questioning the hank on sail ( I prefer them since I trailer sail) I was more questioning the use of snaps in place of the traditional brass hanks I am more familiar with.

are the laminate sails less stiff than normal sails? the main is pretty stiff and the jib is very stiff, im not even convinced its been used but the genoa is a bit softer

 

[Kestle]

kestle- thanks for the info. specifically I was wondering how to handle the u-bolt reapir for the broken keel cable eye bolt brian- thanks for the good info! I was not questioning the hank on sail ( I prefer them since I trailer sail) I was more questioning the use of snaps in place of the traditional brass hanks I am more familiar with. are the laminate sails less stiff than normal sails? the main is pretty stiff and the jib is very stiff, im not even convinced its been used but the genoa is a bit softer

I don't have a u-bolt...mine is swagged to the lifting cable (a loop thru the hole, then the three ends mashed together). The PO did it.

Jeff

 

[Kestle]

Actually, I was thinking of a different boat. I think mine has swagged loops that a single bolt connects with.

Jeff

 

[rgranger]

Re: the weird bracket on the boom.... is there a slot on the front of the mast that it might fit into? If so... you may have a set up where you use the boom as a gin-pole as part of a mast raising system.

Just a guess.

 

[Brian S]

A laminate sail would be very stiff. The idea is to custom engineer the thread orientation to carry load, and then sandwich them in mylar or other film so that nothing stretches (much.) Laminate sails hold their shape very well, until they up and die. Which happens much more quickly than Dacron fabric sails…

On a racing boat, you want less weight aloft. Anywhere. So, racing boats would have snaps on the luff, rather than heavier bronze piston hanks. Also, I bet you have a wire in the luff of that genoa, so you tension the halyard and that prevents luff sag, rather than with piston hanks that rely more on forestay tension.

The Thistles and Flying Scots I race with have snap luffs. My GP14 has a wire luff genoa, because it relies on the wire luff genoa and halyard tension to tension the whole rig. Very common on racing dinghies, the forestay is pretty much lashed to the stemhead fitting with utility cord, and is only there to hold up the mast before you tension the jib halyard and thus the rig. Many racing dinghies use a multipart purchase in line with the halyard to tension the rig. My GP14 has an 8:1 "Magic Box" which is multiple sheaves mounted in an aluminum housing with one set of sheaves sliding in a slot. Doesn't really give 8:1, though, due to extra friction of the design. The wire halyard loop hooks onto a hook on the magic box, then the box tensions the rig. Here's an example: http://www.apsltd.com/c-555-rwo-magic-boxes.aspx

As for that bracket on the boom, is it a bracket for a vang? Or a rigid vang? I know it definitely doesn't look like the bracket from a Boomkicker. Boomkickers are installed in addition to a rope vang. They are fiberglass rods, that actually hold UP the boom. When there's light wind, you want more twist in the main, because the wind at the top of the mast is faster than down at water level due to drag, and the top of the sail must be trimmed out more than the bottom. With this light wind, however, the boom's weight actually holds down the sail, and closes off the leech, makes the sail flatter with no twist. So, Boomkickers allow the leech to open up and twist off. Or, a properly adjustable topping lift can do the same thing, to induce twist. Of course the only way to trim twist properly is to have about 3 leech telltales streaming behind the leech, starting at the top batten pocket and going down the sail. When the wind comes up and the speed differential equalizes because the wind is fast enough to overcome ground drag, then you need to remove twist. Your vang would overcome the springy lift of the Boomkicker. There are also rigid vangs, that have springs in them, which essentially do the same thing as a Boomkicker/vang combo. And, in smaller boats like racing dinghies or skiffs, they have rigid vangs mounted above the boom, which actually push the boom down instead of pull it down. Something about creating more room for forward crew to duck the boom? Whiny crew!

 

[hawk232]

rgranger- good thought, I came right home and looked but there is nothing at all on the front of the mast, bracket wise

Brian- thank you for the excellent write up and for taking the time to do it. it all makes sense now. in regards to the bracket, the only think I can come up with is a boom kicker. the slot opens towards the mast so it cant be for a rigid vang, it would just pull out of the bracket when tensioned. There is this bracket on the mast that I assume would go to the opposite end



I am also curious if it is normal to have this much play in the keel when its down 2-3"???

 

[Ron20324]

Might that boom bracket fit on the OB motor bracket, or something on the transom, so the boom goes vertical to support the mast when trailered - or???

 

[walt]

I used to have a boomkicker and that bracket on the boom looks just liike the one I had.. I think they changed the design a little recently?

Picture from the boomkicker web site..

 

[Kermit]

I used to have a boomkicker and that bracket on the boom looks just liike the one I had.. I think they changed the design a little recently? Picture from the boomkicker web site..

Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding!!! We have a winner!

 

[hawk232]

Excellent, thanks Walt!!!

Anyone have any thoughts on the keel wobble video?

 

[Jackdaw]

Your asym looks like someone took a symmetrical spinnaker to a sailmaker and had him cut the foot at an angle to make an asym. The dimensions will be fine but I bet it flies funny. But as a sail to get you started it will be fine.

That genoa is a very nice sail.

The bracket is for sure a boomkicker. They changed to that style about 4 years ago.... it allows the boom to rise higher when the soft vang is eased as the top end can now travel down that slot. They found that the old bracket held the boom too low when the rods were fully extended, and made it impossible to blow the vang and spill air out the top of the main. That bracket is now an upgrade to old installs and is very recommended.