Snubber arrangement for ip31

emergpa1

emergpa1

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Oct 2, 2008
1,424
Island Packet 31 Brunswick, Ga
I am having trouble arranging a wishbone style's number for my island packing. Photos below show my arrangement. The problem I am currently having is that my snubbers do not stay on the chain with the chain hooks, and I have great difficulty in attaching the snubbers to the chain because I cannot go to the end of the bowsprit because of the rolling furler. Currently I pull the chain up with the boathook and struggle to hook the chain over a cleat. Then I try to quickly attach a little seizing wire to the hooks to hold them on the chain but they comeloose anyway. This is difficult when the boat is moving. It is also a good way to lose a finger. I have one quarter inch chain. Notice also that I have a mail over the end of my bow. So it does not allow me to attach the snubbers before I deploy the chain anchor. I used a small open hooks for the quarter inch chain as I could not find anything else. What I am hoping is that someone can describe not only the materials but the technique for attaching safely and quickly.
The other problem is that The chain in snubbers catch on the Bobstay which of course is bad. The last picture shows a couple of other items that might be used to quickly attach the snubbers to the chain, you would have to be smaller ones to fit in the chain. Strong enough?
So in summary I am concerned about the arrangement pulling out the bobstay and also using something to quickly attach the snubbers that are strong enough. Please help!
 

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emergpa1

emergpa1

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Oct 2, 2008
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Island Packet 31 Brunswick, Ga
emergpa1 said:
I am having trouble arranging a wishbone style's number for my island packing. Photos below show my arrangement. The problem I am currently having is that my snubbers do not stay on the chain with the chain hooks, and I have great difficulty in attaching the snubbers to the chain because I cannot go to the end of the bowsprit because of the rolling furler. Currently I pull the chain up with the boathook and struggle to hook the chain over a cleat. Then I try to quickly attach a little seizing wire to the hooks to hold them on the chain but they comeloose anyway. This is difficult when the boat is moving. It is also a good way to lose a finger. I have one quarter inch chain. Notice also that I have a mail over the end of my bow. So it does not allow me to attach the snubbers before I deploy the chain anchor. I used a small open hooks for the quarter inch chain as I could not find anything else. What I am hoping is that someone can describe not only the materials but the technique for attaching safely and quickly. The other problem is that The chain in snubbers catch on the Bobstay which of course is bad. The last picture shows a couple of other items that might be used to quickly attach the snubbers to the chain, you would have to be smaller ones to fit in the chain. Strong enough? So in summary I am concerned about the arrangement pulling out the bobstay and also using something to quickly attach the snubbers that are strong enough. Please help!
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Correction "styles number" should read snubber and "Mail" should read bail
 
Joe

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,308
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
You could insert a length of nylon rode, say 30 feet or chain then 30 feet of rope, then the rest of the chain.... then you wouldn't need snubbers.
 
Birdman737

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Apr 15, 2012
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Catalina 400 Milwaukee, WI
Can you add a fairlead of some kind at the end of your bowsprit next to the bow roller? If you use only one snubber from the end of the bowsprit you can avoid your bobstay. I have no experience using a bridle as a snubber on a boat with a bobstay, though, and I realize it may cause your boat to sail back and forth at anchor.

As for setting the chain hook on the chain, from plenty of experience I can say it can be tricky. The chain won't stay on the hook unless there's extra, loose chain dangling on the boat side of the hook. Can you attach the hook to the underside of the chain, manually hold extra pressure on the snubber to keep it hooked, then feed out more chain? That's what I do, but it's easier said than done, especially with a bowsprit!

Also make sure the snubber is plenty long, but does not touch bottom... it can fall off then, too.

Removing the snubber when using a chain hook is usually pretty easy... take up slack in the chain and the hook should fall off (you may need to shake the snubber).
 
emergpa1

emergpa1

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Oct 2, 2008
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Island Packet 31 Brunswick, Ga
I am now running both snubbers through the bow roller. And see how I could attach the snubbers before deploying anchor if they are going to go through the bowroller so I think that is a viable option. Also it eliminates the problem of rubbing on the Bobstay. I guess my last question is how do I attach the snubbers to the chain, what hardware?
 

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emergpa1 said:
I am now running both snubbers through the bow roller. And see how I could attach the snubbers before deploying anchor if they are going to go through the bowroller so I think that is a viable option. Also it eliminates the problem of rubbing on the Bobstay. I guess my last question is how do I attach the snubbers to the chain, what hardware?
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PS The yellow things on the bow roller are the chaff protectors for the snubber line.
 
emergpa1

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Oct 2, 2008
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Island Packet 31 Brunswick, Ga
emergpa1 said:
PS The yellow things on the bow roller are the chaff protectors for the snubber line.
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by the way I am anchored off of Jekyll Harbor Marina, on Jekyll Creek. And am trying out things as I go along.
 
Birdman737

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Apr 15, 2012
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Catalina 400 Milwaukee, WI
Yeah, I'd definitely worry about chafing when the rope and chain are sharing a roller. You could try that for a while, though, and see how comfortable your boat rides at anchor. I'd still want a fairlead or chock of some kind like you already have for your dock lines.

And a properly sized chain hook like you have in your third photo of your original post should be fine... get a galvanized one that's labeled the same size as your chain. It should be pretty affordable.
 
Tom J

Tom J

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Sep 30, 2008
2,325
Catalina 310 Quincy, MA
emergpa1 said:
I am now running both snubbers through the bow roller. And see how I could attach the snubbers before deploying anchor if they are going to go through the bowroller so I think that is a viable option. Also it eliminates the problem of rubbing on the Bobstay. I guess my last question is how do I attach the snubbers to the chain, what hardware?
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I deploy my snubber the same way you show in the pics. My chain is secured to the starboard bow cleat initially, and I use a standard shackle to connect the snubber to the chain. I then let out the chain, so that the shackle runs over the bow roller, feeding the snubber as the chain plays out. Then it is just a matter of adjusting the snubber and chain on the bow cleats. If anything, I think this actually cuts down on swinging at anchor.
 
Tom J

Tom J

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Sep 30, 2008
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Catalina 310 Quincy, MA
BTW, I haven't had an issue with chafe. The chain sits loosely on top of the snubber lines at the roller, and since there is no tension on the chain, there is no chafe.
 
Gunni

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
Forget the hook, clips, and other fancy stuff. With a piece of 5/8" single braid tie a rolling hitch on your chain while you stand on that nice wide widow maker and then let it out through the anchor roller bail chain, snubber and all. Lead the snubber line fair back to one of your bow cleats, tie it off and release enough chain to let the snubber do its job. When you are ready to go, bring up the chain and loosen you rolling hitch.
 
marian

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May 21, 2010
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beneteau beneteau 351 Penetanguishene
Gunni said:
Forget the hook, clips, and other fancy stuff. With a piece of 5/8" single braid tie a rolling hitch on your chain while you stand on that nice wide widow maker and then let it out through the anchor roller bail chain, snubber and all. Lead the snubber line fair back to one of your bow cleats, tie it off and release enough chain to let the snubber do its job. When you are ready to go, bring up the chain and loosen you rolling hitch.
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This is what I do, works grate.

Marian
 
Brian S

Brian S

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Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
I dunno for using snubbers, 'cos I have a little boat with a nylon warp spliced to 15' of chain, but I do know that Mantus makes a chain hook which seems well received. http://mantusanchors.com/mantus-chain-hook/ Perhaps if you wanted to still use a hook, this type would be easy to deploy and wouldn't fall off - and wouldn't need seizing wire etc.
 
Brian S

Brian S

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Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
Gee, I dunno, I was thinking about your chain size, and I remembered I had 15' of 1/4" chain for my little anchor. (Mainly because that's the smallest chain I can get for it.) And since I was on Mantus' web site, I looked up their recommendations. For a 11,000 pound 31' boat, cruising anchor, they recommend their 35 pound anchor with 5/16" chain. Storm anchor goes up to the 45 pound, but doesn't specify chain size.
 
emergpa1

emergpa1

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Oct 2, 2008
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Island Packet 31 Brunswick, Ga
Gunni said:
Forget the hook, clips, and other fancy stuff. With a piece of 5/8" single braid tie a rolling hitch on your chain while you stand on that nice wide widow maker and then let it out through the anchor roller bail chain, snubber and all. Lead the snubber line fair back to one of your bow cleats, tie it off and release enough chain to let the snubber do its job. When you are ready to go, bring up the chain and loosen you rolling hitch.
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Marian and gunni, I was wondering about that handy hitch, but was concerned it loosening. Do ya'll ride storms with it? Thunderstorms type stuff.
 
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