Opinions: Upgrades needed to get 22 ready for Bahama crossi

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May 27, 2012
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Oday 222 Beaver Lake, Arkansas
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Its forcing the kid to go that bugs me the most about the whole thing. The women is an adult, she has the right to research the boat and the conditions on her own, but the kid likely doesnt know any better, and wouldnt have a choice if he did. Almost any boat over 26 feet would be a many times better choice. If not for being a stronger boat, for simply having the room for storage to keep from overloading, and being more humane for three people to live together rather than being packed in like sardines.
 
Mar 1, 2013
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Cal 20 Detroit
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Ya that is a big problem with a small boat. My wife and kids do not want to be on mine. My 5yo says I need one that is bigger. I am making my trips single and will still be pressed for room. I have an eight foot cockpit so daysailing is fine but going on a trip weight and space are a problem. Anyone with a small boat would have to agree with you that 27 and up is way more comfort and storage and 32 handles weather smoother. I will be buying a bigger boat if my family will sail. If not then I will keep my small one. I understand liking small boat, but also considered cost. There were a few boat that were solid between 27 and 32 for 2 to 5 grand. I paid one for mine and will have over 3500 in it. I could have bought a 27 that needed nothing for under 3. So I guess the question should be how can he mod a 22 cheap and how long can he stay comfortable. The basics add a thousand pounds. Someone told me a small boat was fine but leave the family and Take them to Disney when I get back. It made me realize that camping conditions are fine for one or two guys for a while but you are not going to spend that ling with a family.
 
Mar 1, 2013
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Cal 20 Detroit
Oh and look up chalupa it is another Cal that has done off shore sailing his site has info on what he did to mod his for offshore. It is not a Catalina but most of the mods would apply.
 
Aug 19, 2012
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Catalina 22 Seabrook, TX
Re: Opinions: Upgrades needed to get 22 ready for Bahama cro

never mind.
 
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Mar 1, 2013
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Cal 20 Detroit
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Very true I had a king air pilot show me the difference between the planes and the experience. He took me up in what.I thought was weather too bad to fly. We were over the bad weather in seconds a truly amazing plane and . I learn something every time I get near him. So you arr rate in the and the boat are limited in space, capacity and power but for one or two people for a weekend both work well
 
May 27, 2012
1,152
Oday 222 Beaver Lake, Arkansas
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There comes a point when you realize that no amount of explaining will keep a fool from trying to kill himself, or anyone dumb enough to follow him. His mind is made up, best to let it go. But I would caution anyone who helps him or gives him ideas to modify that boat. If they come to grief, beyond the legal ramifications of helping him kill himself or his family, will your conscience be able to accept it.

This is not about whether the boat can make it to Bahama, its whether he should take a women and their child along and extend the journey further and ultimately to Yucatan/Belize, across the open gulf itself. I dont know about his kid, or anyone else's kid, but my wife and daughters lives are worth a hell of a lot more to me than trying to go offshore in the least capable boat I can find.
 
May 27, 2012
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Oday 222 Beaver Lake, Arkansas
I learn something every time I get near him. So you arr rate in the and the boat are limited in space, capacity and power but for one or two people for a weekend both work well
If he had said "weekend" and him and one other, that would have been very different. He is talking crossing the gulf with a women and a child, from the southern bahamas, under Cuba toward Yucatan, big difference.
 
Nov 18, 2010
2,441
Catalina 310 Hingham, MA
I have no clue why you think the Caribbean isn't blue water. It can be very ugly. I have been on passage out of Ft. Lauderdale where on the first night we were running in 30-ft seas. This was on a ship full of seasoned crew and even they were sick.....
Phil, I have to disagree with you here. Sure it can be "ugly" crossing the Gulf Stream in going from the US to the Bahamas. It can be ugly in Boston Harbor in the wrong conditions. And forget about Buzzards Bay.

But you are talking about a 100 nm sail depending on where you start from. Conditions are everything and for the most part are pretty predicable for the short window needed to cross to the Bahamas or further down in the Caribbean.

Even an Atlantic crossing. Look at some of the boats that compete in the Jester Challenge. Hell, one guy did it in essentially a modified beach cat. I even read an article about someone who crossed on a modified sail board. There are people that like the challenge of doing something that most think is impossible.

Also, sea sickness denotes nothing. I know plenty of life long cruisers who get sick the first couple of days out until their body adjusts.

Please, please, please, stop complaining about answers you don't like. It's annoying, and you're not helping yourself in getting opinions IN ANSWER to your questions.
To dohcdelsol93, please listen to Stu's advice.

Its forcing the kid to go that bugs me the most about the whole thing. The women is an adult, she has the right to research the boat and the conditions on her own, but the kid likely doesnt know any better, and wouldnt have a choice if he did. Almost any boat over 26 feet would be a many times better choice. If not for being a stronger boat, for simply having the room for storage to keep from overloading, and being more humane for three people to live together rather than being packed in like sardines.
Can we stop with this type of BS! We are not the Children's Welfare Service! This is a sailing forum. Go to a parenting forum to discuss this type of crap. Also, your idea of what is appropriate space is just that, YOUR IDEA. The "more humane" stuff is just unnecessary.
 
Nov 18, 2010
2,441
Catalina 310 Hingham, MA
If he had said "weekend" and him and one other, that would have been very different. He is talking crossing the gulf with a women and a child, from the southern bahamas, under Cuba toward Yucatan, big difference.
You need to re-read the original post. Most of what you have in this post is proposed by you, not the OP.

He talked about going to Belize via the Thorny Path, "maybe around cuba and down to Belize along with many other island locations dotting from the bahamas all the way down to the ABC's". Or going from the Keys over to Cancun and that area. That's not exactly "crossing the gulf".
 
Jan 22, 2008
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Fed up w/ personal attacks I'm done with SBO
I certainly can't read his mind, not too sure I'd want to try but I suspect he feels he now has a much more capable boat (Catalina 22) than the boat he's been sailing on the lake daily (Venture 21).

I'd like to offer one more thought to the OP: rather than listen to advice on an internet forum perhaps a call is in order to Catalina Yachts themselves to discuss your plan. I think everyone, yourself included, can agree there's nobody who knows the boat better and nobody who could assess the plan better.

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Jul 31, 2010
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AquaCat 12.5 17342 Wateree Lake, SC
I'd like to offer one more thought to the OP: rather than listen to advice on an internet forum perhaps a call is in order to Catalina Yachts themselves to discuss your plan. I think everyone, yourself included, can agree there's nobody who knows the boat better and nobody who could assess the plan better.

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I doubt he's reading this thread anymore since we've wasted so much of his time already.
 
May 27, 2012
1,152
Oday 222 Beaver Lake, Arkansas
Can we stop with this type of BS! We are not the Children's Welfare Service! This is a sailing forum. Go to a parenting forum to discuss this type of crap. Also, your idea of what is appropriate space is just that, YOUR IDEA. The "more humane" stuff is just unnecessary.

Wow. I hope you speak mostly for yourself here, or im in the wrong group of people.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,001
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Re: Opinions: Upgrades needed to get 22 ready for Bahama cro

This seems to be the key to ths issue:

the OP wrote:

for a window to head to mexico's yucatan or heading up toward miami to set across for the cays.

It be a long way to do in a boat better suited to the purpose.

Perhaps I am missing the distance issue here. I'm just a "left coast" guy.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,001
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Re: Opinions: Upgrades needed to get 22 ready for Bahama cro

Neal's got a good point. For what you'd put into a C22, you could get a boat better suited to your proposed journey.

Good luck.
 
Apr 9, 2011
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Mac venture 21 lake hartwell
I am going to wash my hands of this mess.

I will, however, leave you with a parting thought.

This boat can be had for around 4500 bucks.

http://www.chapman.org/uploads/docs/boats/283/26-10-catalina-1973.pdf

Consider it. AND, I am sure you will get much more overwhelming support from folks on this forum about your upcoming journey.
problem is towing.

As said before...the C22 is plenty boat for a bahamas cruise for several months.

If i was going solo i'd be taking my swing keel v-21
 
Apr 9, 2011
81
Mac venture 21 lake hartwell
You need to re-read the original post. Most of what you have in this post is proposed by you, not the OP.

He talked about going to Belize via the Thorny Path, "maybe around cuba and down to Belize along with many other island locations dotting from the bahamas all the way down to the ABC's". Or going from the Keys over to Cancun and that area. That's not exactly "crossing the gulf".
Thank you...many small vessels have traveled the thorny path.

I will not be crossing the gulf by any means. having to deal with 30+ knots of wind plus unfriendly shallow seas is not something i want to encounter.

Going from the keys to the tortugas, around cubas western coast over to Isla mujures, then on to cancun/cozumel and to Belize...again...this will be a trip where time can be taken and we will only go as far as weather/seas permit.

If possible I'll be trying to tavel with others when we are making jumps such as Tortugas to Cuba and cuba to Isla mujures. Spelling? I suck at spelling spanish

Having dual citizenship and the possibility of a Canadian registry will allow me to port in cuba if needed. However due to strict US policies I'd rather avoid that if possible.

As for the ABC's I would intend to island hop down there...and that's in the most ideal of conditions/time lines....Belize and San Juan are more realistic final destinations before turning back at this time. The point of having 6 months to sail with no where to be means I'm in no rush and have no set destinations or times to be there
 
Apr 9, 2011
81
Mac venture 21 lake hartwell
Ya that is a big problem with a small boat. My wife and kids do not want to be on mine. My 5yo says I need one that is bigger. I am making my trips single and will still be pressed for room. I have an eight foot cockpit so daysailing is fine but going on a trip weight and space are a problem. Anyone with a small boat would have to agree with you that 27 and up is way more comfort and storage and 32 handles weather smoother. I will be buying a bigger boat if my family will sail. If not then I will keep my small one. I understand liking small boat, but also considered cost. There were a few boat that were solid between 27 and 32 for 2 to 5 grand. I paid one for mine and will have over 3500 in it. I could have bought a 27 that needed nothing for under 3. So I guess the question should be how can he mod a 22 cheap and how long can he stay comfortable. The basics add a thousand pounds. Someone told me a small boat was fine but leave the family and Take them to Disney when I get back. It made me realize that camping conditions are fine for one or two guys for a while but you are not going to spend that ling with a family.
why would i be adding a thousand pounds? I'm removing the old chainplates and adding some larger ones with a bigger inner footprint, i'm upgrading the standing rigging to 3/16 and upgrading the 3/8 2 pindle held rudder to a 3 pindle 1/2" sized rudder in all stainless.

My interior is gutted, probably due to vandals. Instead of a large holding tank I'll be adding a lighter "green" compost head. The solar panels weigh next to nothing and the water maker will be a small model with optional hand pump.

I'm not sure what size the stock water holding tank was but I'll be adding a bladder that holds 20 gallons, probably run it half full when making coastal jumps and filling up at anchor.

Since we are going to be jumping port to port the supplies will be low compared to those of someone crossing large bodies of water, some emergency MRE's, some cereal, noodles, bottled water and extra fuel. The honda engine I'll be picking up is pretty good on fuel compared to the 2 cycle i was planning on getting so while the motor is heavier I'll have to stow much less gasoline.

I have an inflatable 4 man dingy (paddle) that weights in at about 40 lbs, folds to about the size of a back pack.

We won't be bringing items that need refrigeration so our fruit/vegitables will either be bought fresh or dried.

And fishing gear.

We don't mind salt water baths so we will be going easy on water supply.

I'll be looking an auto pilot, I'm still trying to calculate the energy draw of 5 LED bulbs, VHF, GPS and autopilot hooked to 150-200 watt total solar panels.

We ill be packing light as possible, we don't mind roughing it a bit. Considering once we get down there we won't be wearing much more than swim gear.

Since i have an 88 model catalina I have the better of the two masts they put on these boats.

I am planning on stowing an extra rudder, again, not too much extra weight.

While us, all our gear and supplies will probably weight 1k, i'm not adding anywhere near 1k of weight to the boat in way of upgrades. The standing rigging weighs a little more but we are talking what...a couple pounds? I suppose i could go synthetic and have it weight even less than OEM.
 
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