please give me your recommendation as to the best manual and the best electric head for a 1982 hunter 37 cutter sailed presently on inland fresh water lake with holding tank for new vented loop do you prefer bronze or marelon?? is the sealand odorsafe hose the best hose in your opinion thanks i have a manual head that wants to admit some water in the dry mode (i will find the through hull today and rest easier) and i would just feel better with an entirely new install as opposed to a rebuild, especially if i can find room for a larger seat, but i will have to measure if you would rather you can email me directly at sailorhayes@hotmail.com
your recommendations peggie
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Manual toilet: Raritan PH II...or PHC (same pump on a compact base) is space is tight. Electric toilet: Raritan SeaEra. Vented loop: Marelon or PVC loop in intake (you shouldn't need one anywhere else in your waters) is fine for manual toilet...electric toilet will require an electric solenoid valve instead. Hose: AVS96 made by Aussie Globe (http://www.aussieglobe.com/avs96.htm) is the same hose SeaLand sold exclusively for several years under their brand name "OdorSafe"...now available direct from the mfr for a LOT less than SeaLand's price was. (I find it very interesting that SeaLand now recommends hard pipe since switching to an Italian mfr to make their "OdorSafePlus" hose.)
Manual toilet: Raritan PH II...or PHC (same pump on a compact base) is space is tight. Electric toilet: Raritan SeaEra. Vented loop: Marelon or PVC loop in intake (you shouldn't need one anywhere else in your waters) is fine for manual toilet...electric toilet will require an electric solenoid valve instead. Hose: AVS96 made by Aussie Globe (http://www.aussieglobe.com/avs96.htm) is the same hose SeaLand sold exclusively for several years under their brand name "OdorSafe"...now available direct from the mfr for a LOT less than SeaLand's price was. (I find it very interesting that SeaLand now recommends hard pipe since switching to an Italian mfr to make their "OdorSafePlus" hose.)
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Peggy, I have a Hunter installed Jabsco. Sooner or later I want to get rid of it. You recommended the PHII, which is a high priority choice for me. The problem with it is that the lever sticks out pretty far beyond the bowl. Some additional repair, hose replacement, etc. work would probably be necessary to turn it around in the space I have. Might even have to replace the hoses completely. Maybe thats a good idea anyway, but the boat is only two years old. I'm also leaning strongly towards the household bowl. I don't know about others, but it's just hard to get all the parts I need directed to that tiny little bowl at the same time without feeling like I need a shower afterwards. I like the idea of a macerating electric such as the Sea Era. The down side to this one, is that it appears that it can't be operated manually, which in a one head installation (mine) seems a little risky. Given your recommendations, I'm curious how you feel about a Sea Era without a manual backup in a one head boat? Also, do you think that maceration of the product at the head is a significantly better idea? Everythings a trade-off. Thanks. Dan Jonas (S/V Feije II)
Peggy, I have a Hunter installed Jabsco. Sooner or later I want to get rid of it. You recommended the PHII, which is a high priority choice for me. The problem with it is that the lever sticks out pretty far beyond the bowl. Some additional repair, hose replacement, etc. work would probably be necessary to turn it around in the space I have. Might even have to replace the hoses completely. Maybe thats a good idea anyway, but the boat is only two years old. I'm also leaning strongly towards the household bowl. I don't know about others, but it's just hard to get all the parts I need directed to that tiny little bowl at the same time without feeling like I need a shower afterwards. I like the idea of a macerating electric such as the Sea Era. The down side to this one, is that it appears that it can't be operated manually, which in a one head installation (mine) seems a little risky. Given your recommendations, I'm curious how you feel about a Sea Era without a manual backup in a one head boat? Also, do you think that maceration of the product at the head is a significantly better idea? Everythings a trade-off. Thanks. Dan Jonas (S/V Feije II)
Manual backup unnecessary IMO
If you can't generate enough battery power to flush the toilet even once or twice a day, whether you can flush the toilet is the least of your worries...'cuz you won't have any electronics or lights etc either. And while a bucket won't solve any other electrical problems, it can be the "manual backup" for ANY toilet. As for any electrical failure in the toilet itself, they're actually much rarer than failures due to lack of maintenance or clogs in both manual and electric toilets. As for whether waste needs to be macerated coming out of the toilet...not if it's going into a tank. Even solid waste is 75% liquid to start with...it dissolves very quickly in water. However, a macerating toilet does reduce the potential for a clog in the plumbing downstream of the toilet and is less aesthetically offensive when flushed directly overboard at sea than chunks of solids and TP. If you're wondering whether to convert your PH II to a PHE II, I recommend against it. The motor only replaces the pump handle...the pump is still essentially a manual pump. The motor also pumps a lot faster and with a much shorter stroke than pumping manually, which means it takes longer for the toilet to prime each time...which wears out seals and o-rings MUCH faster. IMO, putting a motor on a PH II turns the best manual toilet in its price range into one of the poorest excuses for an electric toilet in any price range...and costs as much or more than real electric toilets.
If you can't generate enough battery power to flush the toilet even once or twice a day, whether you can flush the toilet is the least of your worries...'cuz you won't have any electronics or lights etc either. And while a bucket won't solve any other electrical problems, it can be the "manual backup" for ANY toilet. As for any electrical failure in the toilet itself, they're actually much rarer than failures due to lack of maintenance or clogs in both manual and electric toilets. As for whether waste needs to be macerated coming out of the toilet...not if it's going into a tank. Even solid waste is 75% liquid to start with...it dissolves very quickly in water. However, a macerating toilet does reduce the potential for a clog in the plumbing downstream of the toilet and is less aesthetically offensive when flushed directly overboard at sea than chunks of solids and TP. If you're wondering whether to convert your PH II to a PHE II, I recommend against it. The motor only replaces the pump handle...the pump is still essentially a manual pump. The motor also pumps a lot faster and with a much shorter stroke than pumping manually, which means it takes longer for the toilet to prime each time...which wears out seals and o-rings MUCH faster. IMO, putting a motor on a PH II turns the best manual toilet in its price range into one of the poorest excuses for an electric toilet in any price range...and costs as much or more than real electric toilets.
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