Yet another wiring diagram. Sorry.

Nov 30, 2013
9
Hunter 310 Falmouth Maine
I am moving my batteries and some instruments and rewiring. I have searched the archives and read lots of posts and have drawn up a wiring diagram that makes sense to me. I would like it if some of you would take a look to see if I have made any major blunders. I am adding a140w kyocera solar panel at the same time. The boat is a 1999 Hunter 310. 2gm20f engine.
Thanks in advance.
 

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Feb 26, 2004
23,047
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
8 awg from the alternator: what size alternator, seems awfully small. 1 awg from the PDP to the house bank doesn't match at all.

2/0 wire is tremendous.

Wire sizes look all over the place.
 
Nov 18, 2010
2,441
Catalina 310 Hingham, MA
I'm with Stu on a lot of his comments.

I have 4 AWG running from my alternator to a service disconnect switch then to batteries, about a 18 foot round trip run. I have a 60 amp alternator. I am just barely sized right.

I also do not see any fuses between the positive bus and the shore power charger or solar controller.

Another thing I would think about is how are you going to terminate the 6 and 8 AWG wire? In my experience these two sizes can be a bit problematic. They are too big for the smaller crimpers that you use from 10 AWG up and too small for the larger crimpers that you typically have for battery cables. So do you have a tool that will allow you to crimp these sizes?

Good luck and fair winds,

Jesse
 
Aug 18, 2013
8
Siedelmann S37 Toledo - HVYC
Captjim has the answer.

It looks like it is OK. Next time use your computer to get a clearer diagram.
 
Oct 26, 2012
31
morgan 384 Tarpon springs
I would up grade the batteries

I am moving my batteries and some instruments and rewiring. I have searched the archives and read lots of posts and have drawn up a wiring diagram that makes sense to me. I would like it if some of you would take a look to see if I have made any major blunders. I am adding a140w kyocera solar panel at the same time. The boat is a 1999 Hunter 310. 2gm20f engine.
Thanks in advance.
Me I like larger alternators and larger batteries like type 31 AGM (3) I have 2 solar panels on my Morgan 384 . Now im in Fla so the ac runs a lot . Oh i have refrigeration and ac .
 
Apr 8, 2010
2,119
Ericson Yachts Olson 34 28400 Portland OR
One part of your scheme bothers me. I would never wire any extra circuits directly to the battery -- bypassing the master switch is a very bad idea, IMHO. Violates the whole purpose of that switch.

I guess that as long as you have the recommended fusing within X inches of the positive terminal for all wires to the battery you are technically legal, tho.

One other quibble... I believe that the two batteries in parallel for your house bank should have the pos cable to the other battery in the bank, and not the same one. Or, so I have always been told -- perhaps a 12 volt electrician can weigh in.

Regards,
Loren
 
Nov 18, 2010
2,441
Catalina 310 Hingham, MA
One part of your scheme bothers me. I would never wire any extra circuits directly to the battery -- bypassing the master switch is a very bad idea, IMHO. Violates the whole purpose of that switch.
What extra circuit are you referring to? The one with the ACR?

You do wire the ACR the way he has it shown.
 
Aug 18, 2013
8
Siedelmann S37 Toledo - HVYC
I use a battery selector switch to allow charging to one or two house batteries. The main selector switch set at Bat 1 goes to Starter Battery. Main switch set at Bat 2 goes to House Batteries. This makes it easy to charge any battery or disconnect any battery from the cockpit.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,709
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
I am moving my batteries and some instruments and rewiring. I have searched the archives and read lots of posts and have drawn up a wiring diagram that makes sense to me. I would like it if some of you would take a look to see if I have made any major blunders. I am adding a140w kyocera solar panel at the same time. The boat is a 1999 Hunter 310. 2gm20f engine.
Thanks in advance.

Looks pretty good. The wiring is all over the place gauge wise but should work. The alt positive cable is a little light if you have the 55A or 60A Hitachi and quite light if you have the 80A Hitachi... Consider cross wiring your two house bank batteries. All positives connect to one battery and all negatives connect to the other.
 
Aug 3, 2014
68
CATALINA, BENETEAU OCEANIS 36, 400 Grosse Ile, Mi and Fajardo, PR
The ACR will draw about 1/2 amp per day. I put a switch on the ground. This may not be necessary in your situation. Just a thought. The wire size looks small. If you upgrade the wire you need to increase the size of your fuses.

Nick
 
Nov 30, 2013
9
Hunter 310 Falmouth Maine
Thanks for the comments it's just what I was hoping for.
Stu and Maine
I guess you are right the wire from the alternator is a little small. My alt is the 55 amp Hitachi. The alt feed currently has a 10AWG jumper about 6" long from the alt to the starter wire. Should I run a new Ground wire as well? I will upsize to 6AWG.
JK
The shore power batt charger has the 8AWG wires now and no fuse. I was not sure if it should be fused. Fuse according to wire size??
I was planning to get the wires made up at bestboatwire.com. You are right about that inbetween size and a crimper. A friend has offered to loan me a hydraulic crimper for the larger stuff.
FastOlsen
Only the charging circuits are not run thru the switch. The solar panels need to be connected that way to charge while the boat sits at the mooring. Shore power charger I'm not so sure of. On one of the threads I was reading they said the alt wire should be run right to the battery. Not really sure about that either. I agree about the switch disconnecting everything except the bilge pump. Good point.
Thanks for the reminder about using the pos terminal from one battery and neg terminal from the other.

Some of the wire sizes are my doing and some are existing wires and some were poorly labeled on the drawing. The 2/0 wires are all existing. I have made revisions to the diagram and attached the new one.

Still not sure about the charger fuses? Solar panel fuses.
 

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Feb 26, 2004
23,047
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Thanks for the comments it's just what I was hoping for.
Stu and Maine
1 --- I guess you are right the wire from the alternator is a little small. My alt is the 55 amp Hitachi.

2 --- The alt feed currently has a 10AWG jumper about 6" long from the alt to the starter wire.

3 --- Should I run a new Ground wire as well? I will upsize to 6AWG.
1 --- The OEM wiring on boats your size was 4 awg, and Maine Sail has written a lot about this issue, of course depending on your alternator size and current through that wire (and it's ground).

I would go NO LESS than 4 awg. Your choice of whether or not to upsize for a future larger alternator. A ground would be better rather than depending on case grounding, even if it's been working that way since day one.

2 --- That jumper wire does this:

http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/universal_wiring_harness_upgrade

The third box down explains it.

Your switching has these options (Your boat, your choice):

Basic Battery Wiring Diagrams This is a very good basic primer for boat system wiring: http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,6604.0.html

This is another very good basic primer for boat system wiring: The 1-2-B Switch by Maine Sail (brings together a lot of what this subject is all about)
http://forums.catalina.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=137615


3 --- See "1 ---" above. :)

Nice job.
 
Jan 22, 2008
8,050
Beneteau 323 Annapolis MD
You should wire the battery charger to the batteries for minimum loss. I attached MaxFuse holders to the battery boxes, with a short cable to the pos post. I installed a breaker between the solar charger and battery so it doubles as a switch.
 
Nov 18, 2010
2,441
Catalina 310 Hingham, MA
Thanks for the comments it's just what I was hoping for.
Stu and Maine
I guess you are right the wire from the alternator is a little small. My alt is the 55 amp Hitachi. The alt feed currently has a 10AWG jumper about 6" long from the alt to the starter wire. Should I run a new Ground wire as well? I will upsize to 6AWG.
On the wire size for the alternator, 6 AWG would only be good for a 10 foot "round trip" run. How far is the alternator from the batteries?

JK
The shore power batt charger has the 8AWG wires now and no fuse. I was not sure if it should be fused. Fuse according to wire size??
You size wires based on the current and distance the wire will go. When you consider the distance, it is round trip. So if you have a positive run of 5 feet and the negative run back to your negative bus is 5 feet also, you size for a 10 foot wire run.

You then size the fuse based on the wire size, if it is located in the engine room or not and if it is a single wire or in a bundle.

I like to use this chart from Blue Sea System (warning, large pdf document). This chart lets you see the wire sizing, fuse sizing and fuse options all in one place and it is from a reputable company.

I was planning to get the wires made up at bestboatwire.com. You are right about that inbetween size and a crimper. A friend has offered to loan me a hydraulic crimper for the larger stuff.
Have your read the threads from Maine Sail's website about wire termination? He has one that is applicable to smaller wires, 10 AWG to 22 AWG, and one on larger cables for batteries. I would bet with the number of wires you are planning to run that you could get some decent quality tools, like the ones Maine Sail suggests, for close to the same cost as having someone do the terminals for you. And what type of terminals are you going to get if you have someone else do it? Will they be done correctly? If you are planning to remain a boater for a while it might just be better to buy the tools and do the work yourself.

FastOlsen
Only the charging circuits are not run thru the switch. The solar panels need to be connected that way to charge while the boat sits at the mooring. Shore power charger I'm not so sure of. On one of the threads I was reading they said the alt wire should be run right to the battery. Not really sure about that either. I agree about the switch disconnecting everything except the bilge pump. Good point.
Read Maine Sail's post on the 1/2/both/off switch. You don't want this switch to select charging, just load.


Thanks for the reminder about using the pos terminal from one battery and neg terminal from the other.

Some of the wire sizes are my doing and some are existing wires and some were poorly labeled on the drawing. The 2/0 wires are all existing. I have made revisions to the diagram and attached the new one.

Still not sure about the charger fuses? Solar panel fuses.
Maine Sail, again, has already given this answer. Although it is a little different in your setup. You aren't connecting directly to the battery post but a positive bus that is connected to the battery post. Your connection to the battery post is sized for 2/0 AWG wire but your solar charge controller is running something smaller. Any time you go down in size you are no longer fused appropriately for that size. So you should add a fuse to protect the wire that runs from your positive bus to the solar controller, battery charger and alternator since you show these as different then the 2/0 AWG going to the battery. The 2/0 AWG going from the positive pus to the battery switch is properly fused at the other end of the bus, so you don't need a fuse there.

On the charge controller, some people also add a switch to disconnect the panels from the batteries for service. I didn't do this in mine but plan to just pull the fuse when I need to make that disconnect.

Good luck and fair winds,

Jesse
 
Nov 30, 2013
9
Hunter 310 Falmouth Maine
What an education

Stu

I just looked at the Blue sea wiring sizing chart and you are right even 4AWG is marginal. I will upsize again and add a dedicated ground. Thanks

Ron

breaker that doubles as a service switch for the solar panel. Good idea.

JK

Thanks for taking the time to educate me on these issues. I did not realize wires were sized on the "round trip length"
That Blue sea chart is awesome makes things so simple and clear to have it all in one place.
I was thinking that maybe I should run a separate 1/0 wire from the battery to the switch (bypassing the pos busbar) and have another wire from the battery to the pos bus. Thinking that then all starter loads would not be passed through the bus.
Would a blue sea 150 amp 4 -5/16" terminals busbar be appropriate for the pos and neg busbar? I will add fuses for the charger and the solar panel when I figure out what size. I have read many of Maine sail's posts and from his web site. Some I understand but some not so much. I do understand about using the switch to select a battery to use but not using it to select charging. The blue sea ACR is new and I am including it in the wiring based on Maine's advice.
 
Nov 14, 2013
200
Catalina 50 Seattle
Just a little detail to keep in mind, if you're buying pre-made cables to run from your batteries to your busbars, try to get busbars with the same diameter studs as your battery terminals. It's tough to find cables with different sized connectors on either end. For example, my batteries use 3/8" terminals and so do all the Blue Sea switches that I favor, so I went with 3/8" studs on my bars. Even though I make my own cables, it helps standardize the lugs in my inventory.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,709
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Ron

breaker that doubles as a service switch for the solar panel. Good idea.
Et. Al,

With a Genasun controller you can break the battery side of the controller but with some other controllers they suggest a simultaneous break of batt and PV or a PV first break away....

The Genasun controllers were designed for lithium batteries and to withstand being dropped out by a BMS system. Alex designed them to withstand this on the battery side as well as PV side but batt side is preferred on a Genasun. Other controllers may not want a battery side break so best to check with them first before installing a switch...