Xantrex Freedom Inverter/Charger?????

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Dec 19, 2006
5,818
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
Any one have a freedom 20 or 30 inverter charger. The inverter charger has a echo-charge feature for a start or auxiliary battery. The echo-charge will turn ON any time the house battery is above 13 volts, regardless of the charging source. Does this mean even when motoring and the engine alternator is charging the house bank that the inverter charger will also be charging the start battery, or is it saying the start battery is only being charged when the inverter charger is doing the charging,it does say any source. Nick
 
Dec 5, 2003
204
Hunter 420 Punta Gorda, FL
Combiner

Most Hunters have a combining relay that will parallel your start and house batteries while the engine is running. So you will charge both while the engine is running. The echo charge is just to float the start battery while the house batteries are being charged. Bill
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,818
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
No Start

My hunter came with a 1 and 2 house battery setup (2-4D's)and no start battery. I am converting to one big house bank and adding a start battery. Trying to come up a simple way for my system to charge the start battery, so many different ways to go,combiner is one way. I am checking my options for running the wiring. Nick
 
Feb 26, 2004
22,987
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Answered your own question

"The echo-charge will turn ON any time the house battery is above 13 volts, regardless of the charging source." Since the echo charge is only a relay, whenever a charging source is available, it will act to allow current to flow through it. The answer is YES, within the following constraints. The Echo charger is the same as a combiner except with limited amp output to about 15 amps. As such, it is NOT the right equipment to use when you have alternating two large banks, because one of the banks will never get fully charged unless plugged in for a long time because of the limited amperage output of the echo side of the connection. The other bank receives the full charge of the Freedom inverter/charger charger side. An echo charger is, however, a perfect application for a large house bank and the start bank on the echo side. That's because the few amps needed to recharge a start bank after it is used to start the engine is very small. Most alternator outputs on boats are wired to the C post of the 1-2-B switch. So the source for charging when motoring is: alternator output, to C post, to batteries. That's why when wired like this you NEED to start the engine with the switch on Both or else the second battery bank wouldn't get any charge from the alternator. With the echo charger, you HAVE to know how your wiring is connected to determine how it works. Most likely, the echo charge will "see" a charging source regardless of how you're wired, but it could be connected to the switch post instead of across the batteries, and we just don't know how you operate your switch. If the alternator is connected directly to the house bank (a much preferred way to do it) then the echo charger will charge the second battery because the echo charger "sees" a charging source via the connection of the charger output to the house bank. This is because the Freedom inverter/charger wiring goes from the I/C to the house bank. You will need to determine if anything other than the battery outputs are wired to the 1-2-B (other than the starter solenoid and DC panel). So, I recommend that you personally trace out the wiring on your boat and figure out where the connections are made, from the I/C to the banks and how the switch is wired, and where the connections of the echo charger land (switch? battery bank?). Once you know that, you can figure out how it works. Since you're adding the starting bank, do NOT get rid of the echo charger, it is far superior to the combiner because it won't overcharge your new start bank. It was wrong to use for your old setup, where a combiner would have been much better. The simplest way, I would suggest, is this: Freedom I/C charger output to house bank, not through the switch. Alternator output directly to the new big house bank, not through the switch. Echo charger output wiring from I/C to new start bank. ONLY the battery + wiring to the 1-2-B switch. Start the engine with your start bank, NOT BOTH. Since the alternator output goes directly to the house bank, there is NO LONGER a problem with switching the 1-2-B switch when the engine is running, so you have complete freedom of action with the switch. The ONLY things that need to be on the 1-2-B switch are: +1 post - input from battery 1; +2 post - input from battery 2 (your choice of numbering house and start, just get the echo charge wiring to the correct start bank); C post - To starter solenoid and TO DC panel. It's very simple, no extra switches needed. I disagree with West Marine's three switch setup, use the 1-2-B switch like this and you'll see what I mean. Their idea if you examine it, retains the alternator output through a switch which I think is worthless.
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,818
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
Wow Thanks STU

I kind of thought that's what the inverter manual was trying to say but you explained it much better. I am running electric wire straight to the house bank from the alternator. wire from starter straight to the start battery also for starting the Gen. Wire from echo-charge to start battery. Also thinking hooking the windlass to the start battery. Thanks STU.
 
Dec 25, 2000
5,909
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
Hi Nick, FWIW our windlass is connected to the...

house bank, which I prefer. That way the starter battery is dedicated to one draw, starting the engine. Four years ago our 1600 watt Heart Interface inverter/charger was reaching the end of its life. I replaced it with a Freedom 25 on Hunter Marine Customer Service's recommendation. Did the job myself following the manufacturer instructions. Very happy with the resulting performance. Terry
 
Feb 26, 2004
22,987
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Terry's right DON T hook your windlass to

the start bank. It's a helluva amp draw and the combined house bank (sometimes with the engine running) is the ONLY and best way to connect the windlass. Unless you can't get heavy wire from your house bank to it, don't use a separate battery either, and if you have to do so, make it part of your house bank. After all when you're running your engine, your alternator output is going directly TO the house bank, and the echo charger is only putting 15 into the start bank. Why take out more than you put into the smallest bank on board? Think it through.
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,818
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
I Agree

After thinking about it it makes better sense to connect the windless to the house bank which has much more charging to it. Thanks again every one for all the advice and help. Nick
 
Dec 25, 2000
5,909
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
Uh Stu, you humble me with your ...

forthrightness. I hope someday we can drink a brew together. Terry
 
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