WTF? Reverse???

Oct 25, 2008
168
Albin Marin Vega Bogue Chitto, Miss
My VEGA had it's original engine and combi drive replaced. so now I
have just a straight shaft and normal prop configuration. Can any of
you help with any advice on reversing this thing. I have owned it for
a couple of year and still have to ue line and walk it out of the slip.

I have always just turned other boats by throttleing forward and
reverse/ relied on prop walk and held the tiller on centerline, but
this thing make me feel like a dumb ass every time I try to back out.
Help me if you know of any tricks.
 
Oct 30, 2019
80
Dear Mag,
???? I know exactly how you feel. The Vega backs like crap and doesn't turn well going forward until you have good "way" on, which makes it close to impossible to control with the rudder and prop.?in tight quarters. I learned my lesson backing out of a slip in Sandwich, MA on the Cape Cod Canal.?I ended up sideways drifting down between finger piers crammed with boats. I got out of trouble with zero contact to any boat or fixed object but with the help of a good Samaritan on one pier. The lesson I learned that day is, in tight quarters, get the Vega pointed in?a direction where you can go for some distance to get way on and only use reverse when the exact direction of reverse is of no immediate consequence. With this said I will point out that I have moved my boat from its mooring into a slip and I am not looking forward to getting it out. I will be studying the situation carefully and will probably use line to warp it into the direction I need the boat to point once out of the slip. As far as backing it out and turning, I cried "uncle" on that one in Sandwich, MA.
Frank & Tena DeBaggis
Vega 2141, Carpe Diem
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
My combi was taken out before I bought my Vega. There was a fwd/reverse transmission available for the MD6A (not sure if it is still being sold), and this is what is installed on my boat. It is supposed to have a 2:1 gear ratio, but somehow, I still have the combi ratio of 1.42:1.

If you have that, you should be able to go into a reverse gear.
The engine handbook shows pictures of this if you want to compare what your transmission looks like.

As for going backwards, I recently found out that you need to get some speed up before you have any control over the vega. Maybe like 2 knots or so.

roy
 
Oct 31, 2019
163
Spring Fever's got the same set-up and to be honest, unless the wind's very favourable. we go for the warp her around with lines option every time.

Bob Carlisle
Spring Fever 1776
 
Oct 31, 2019
303
Just curious, anyone ever put a bow thruster on a Vega? Vetus makes one small enough for boats under 20 feet 1.5kW or 2hp. I had one on a boat I bought once (I didn’t install it) and it was certainly handy. In the marina it was great, of course, and once for coming onto a marine railway with a good cross wind in Mexico. Of course I found it most handy to use to trim the drifter when sailing in very, very light airs :) (Hey, whatever turns your crank). Didn’t seem to slow the boat much with the tunnel in the bow.

I was messing about one day and put a little removable bracket I have on the stern and then put an old electric trolling motor I have had for years on that, facing sideways. Great stern thruster – I wouldn’t’ have done it. except I had all the stuff already on hand and thought it would be kind of fun. I could literally spin the boat in the fairway. I doubt I’ll leave it on, but then, maybe! Actually I could use the trolling motor for the dinghy and thus avoid carrying gasoline for a little gas kicker. Even with the battery it doesn’t weight all that much.

Chris
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Spring Fever\'s got the same set-up and to be honest, unless the wind\'s very favourable. we go for the warp her around with lines option every time.

Bob Carlisle
Spring Fever 1776
 
Oct 31, 2019
562
Hi.:
I hope you have forward and reverse; if not, you've got a problem.
If you have, than don't worry too much. I have to back out from a very narrow slip and so far- some 20 + years, never hit anything. If I have the right wind condition, I back out into the channel where there are 2 rows of boats, and then forward out of the marina. If the wind is not favorable, then the boat turns stern outwards the wrong way. I then have to try to get the boat somewhere in the midle of the narrow channel, and then I back out some 200 feet to the (larger) channel where I can turn the boat to get the bow the right direction. But to have steerage, the boat MUST go 2 or 3 knots in reverse. There is some strain on the rudder (you have to learn where to turn the rudder).
Do like I did: on a fairly calm day, go out, find some place where there is little boat traffic, put a buoy into the water, and try to back-up to the buoy from every direction. You'll be surprised- soon you know how to do it. Good Luck.
Wilhelm, V257
 
Oct 30, 2019
1,459
Kenneth, when you back out simply make sure nobody is watching and
she'll do it perfectly. Even one spectator, and you're in trouble ;-)
Peter
#1331 'Sin Tacha'
 
Oct 31, 2019
163
…Even one spectator, and you\'re in trouble ;-)….
Now that’s the truth Peter! Though on just the one occasion: -
Soon after we bought Spring Fever we visited Aberystwith Marina in Wales, where a very pleasant evening in the Yacht Club bar was slightly tainted by one knob-head who kept harping-on about how bad Albin Vegas were to reverse. To be fair he probably didn’t say anything that wasn’t ‘fair comment’, but this was my new boat that he was slagging-off; besides which, he sailed a Westerly Centaur so clearly wasn’t qualified to talk about yachts!
When I got up the following morning and went into the cockpit for a fag, two things became immediately apparent: -
1. The wind was blowing a brisk NE F4, rather than from the W/SW we’d been expecting; this would put it close on the nose for the passage back to Porthmadog, but on the up side it was currently on the port beam, so blowing us off the pontoon and as the harbour entrance lay SSW our departure would be ‘downwind’ too.
2. The idiot from the previous evening was moored just across from us, he was about 100 feet away and almost dead astern – well perhaps 3 or 4 berths ‘upwind’; he’d spotted me too and called across a cheery ‘Good Morning’ along with another offer of assistance for when we wanted to leave as ‘he knew what those Vegas were like’. Pillock! There was no way I was accepting any help from him!

We waited another hour before the tides were right to leave, by which time I’d planned our departure and went back topside to carry it out; first I fired up the engine, whilst calling down to Lesley that she needn’t rush as I was just warming it up and we wouldn’t be going for at least another ten or fifteen minutes – she would not have approved/allowed my actions; when we cast of five minutes later she was still below decks putting on her waterproofs.

Having removed the sail cover, fitted the halyard, etc. I removed all the mooring lines other than a short tight breast line. Whilst doing all this my ‘friend’ across the fairway was shouting across to enquire if I was ready to leave/needed his help yet, whilst I was pointedly not hearing him; as a result he actually disembarked and began walking around the harbour – I didn’t yet realise that this was to make the whole thing even more fun! He was about half way around when I leaned over into the cockpit and banged the gearshift hard into reverse

As usual, there was lots of noise, even more smoke and eventually a pathetic dreg of power was produced at the prop and SF began to edge backwards. I walked beside her along the pontoon, slowly slipping the mid-ship line whilst ensuring that the bow didn’t blow down onto the boat beside us then as we reached the pontoon’s end I stepped up onto the bow and walked back down the side-deck, casually coiling the mooring line as I went. At this point I glanced over and noticed my ‘friend’ for the first time, who was hopping from foot to foot with indecision, I gave him a cheery wave, before taking time out to lean into the companionway and reassure Lesley that there was no hurry, everything was under control and I was quite capable of getting us out single-handed.

I’m sure that from the quayside, what with all the noise and smoke, we probably looked to be reversing toward my ‘friends’ Centaur much more quickly than we actually were, so when I’d given him another wave and reached for my cigarette packet rather than the helm, which was still lashed to the mainsheet, my ‘friend’ made his decision and frantically sprinted back toward his own boat. He moved surprisingly quickly for a man of his age/weight, so that by the time I’d gotten my cigarette alight, had another swig of coffee and released the tiller, he was already diving across his own cockpit, with a balloon fender in hand; his coffee cup got knocked over as he passed and his hat fell overboard when he collided with the pushpit rail – it was all very frantic.

We by this time, whilst still a good 30 feet away from his stern, were finally going quite quickly toward it, but with the engine revving I really couldn’t hear what my ‘friend’ was saying to me; but with his bright red face and frantically waving arms, I got the impression that he was quite agitated. I pushed the throttle lever back into neutral, which made things much quieter and enabled me to hear a garbled scream; he was saying something about a ‘...ucking maniac, going to hit...!’ I didn’t catch the rest as I’d released the tiller once again and stuck my head into the cockpit locker to find a boat hook.

A handy side effect of my throttling back to hear what he was shouting was that SF rapidly slowed down, which coupled with the brisk wind blowing off the bows slewed our stern around to port and left me perfectly placed to pick up his lost hat with the boat hook and also just close enough (with the hook fully extended and a bit of a stretch) to reach my ‘friends’ stern and pass it back to him; along with an assurance that all those stories he’d heard about Vegas not reversing were bollocks. Another smile a final wave and we were on our way; I don’t know why I bothered though, we’ve subsequently seen him twice more when visiting Aberystwith and he doesn’t even speak to me.

I expected to be in trouble from Lesley, but when I looked around she was standing in the companionway grinning and had apparently seen the whole thing. Apparently she’d ‘known you we’re taking the p*** from the moment you stopped-off to light the cigarette’. And our windward beat to Porthmadog? It didn’t happen; over the next hour the wind swung around through E to SE, before finally settling in the South, we’d just about become absolutely convinced that this was going to be our lucky day when the wind rapidly picked up to F7 gusting F8/9; but that’s another story...
Bob Carlisle. Spring Fever 1776.
 
Mar 28, 2011
261
Hi Steve,
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When I was a kid, 14 years old and started smoking, we used to call cigarettes fags also.? I don't know when the term lost popularity in the states.
Cheers?
Frank Gallardo Jr
sv Cin Cin? V-2184
"May the warm wind at your back not be your own"
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