Worn Out Main Sail Bolt Rope

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Aug 22, 2011
1,113
MacGregor Venture V224 Cheeseland
Our main is worn out - no doubt about it. Patched, baggy, old, boom hangs to low in the rear...etc.

A new one just IS NOT in the budget right now so we must make do. I know the bolt ropes are shrunken and I've read many many bolt rope release threads and am ready to give that a shot.

My question is:

I've hoisted the main as high as it will go and the headboard reaches the masthead cheek block. I can't hoist it any higher.

Will cutting/releasing the luff bolt rope in this case have any effect if there is no room left to go up? It is equipped with sliders and has a bolt rope foot.

Its possible that this is a larger sail than came with the boat originally - I have no way to know.
 
Jun 11, 2004
1,922
Oday 31 Redondo Beach
Do you have a Cunningham or Downhaul to take up tension on the luff? You might be able to rig up something if you don't.
 

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Jul 24, 2005
2,242
Beneteau 323 Manistee, MI
It is likely that it is not the original sail. The sail cloth would stretch, but not that much. The bolt rope is easily pulled back into the sail after the threads through it are cut.
When I had a smaller boat, I usually pulled the bolt rope back by hooking the headboard to a line tied around a post, and "milked" the luff down.then restitched it where it ended up. You might have to take the sail to a loft and have it recut to take some of the bag out.

An alternative is to look for a used sail through somewhere like Bacon Sails in Annapolis, or lofts near you.
 
Jun 21, 2007
2,118
Hunter Cherubini 36_80-82 Sausalito / San Francisco Bay
I've got a bigger boat than you with about 42' of mainsail luff. My sail got longer by 6" when I cut the luff rope seizing and milked the luff rope. Your sail is small, but you will gain length. With your headboard already hitting the masthead sheave, doing a shrunk bolt rope fix on your boat might compound the sail-too-big problem.

You might think about ways to shorten the luff. As suggested by Richard, a cunningham is one way to take out a few of the excess inches. However will give a crinkled look to your very lower section of luff.

In addition to a cunningham, how substantial is your sail's headboard? Is it aluminum? How long is it on the luff side? Maybe you could cut a few inches from the headboard top and drill a new halyard shackle hole in it a bit lower? Might be enough to allow you to tension the luff at least somewhat? The upper few feet of sail leach won't be supported as well as before the headboard cut. But I think would be an improvement compared to an always slack luff.
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
There are places that you can purchase used sails for less than most any repairs.

Bacon Sails
Minneys Yacht Surplus
Sail Warehouse
 
Aug 22, 2011
1,113
MacGregor Venture V224 Cheeseland
Thank all of you for the replies. Heres a couple of photos.

I took the shackle off the halyard (actually its a spring clip and OLD one vintage 1973?) and tied directly to the headboard (its plastic) to gain a little. I also used a winch to hoist up as hard as I could get it. There was some improvement I think but the boom still low in the rear. I'll know better tomorrow after we splash.

Is the grommet near the tack a Cunningham? I did rig a line thru it and put tension on it and was able to tighten the luff but that was the only effect I could see.

Even a used sail is out of the question at the moment. I've looked into it. When we do replace the sail the admiral really wants to be able to sail with the poptop up.
 

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Nov 23, 2011
2,023
MacGregor 26D London Ontario Canada
Topcat: I counted 15 patches on your sail. Wow. It may be time...
Here is a link to Minneys. They will fix you up with something that will work. http://minneysyachtsurplus.com/ and his blog. http://minneys.blogspot.ca/
What a hoot.
Here is a picture of my main from the other day. See the creases... my bolt rope has shrunk probably 8"!
I'm going to pull out the stitching that holds it in and see what happens. (There is almost a foot of space at the top! I think there is a stuck turning block up there too.)
 

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Jul 18, 2009
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marine clipper 21 ft santa ana Southern Lakes,Yukon
you make my old sail look new....thanx..
 
Aug 22, 2011
1,113
MacGregor Venture V224 Cheeseland
Topcat: I counted 15 patches on your sail. Wow. It may be time...
Here is a link to Minneys. They will fix you up with something that will work. http://minneysyachtsurplus.com/ and his blog. http://minneys.blogspot.ca/
What a hoot.
Here is a picture of my main from the other day. See the creases... my bolt rope has shrunk probably 8"!
I'm going to pull out the stitching that holds it in and see what happens. (There is almost a foot of space at the top! I think there is a stuck turning block up there too.)

What!? Are you the Count from Sesame Street?

One main sail patch ah ah ah. Two Main sail patch ah ah ah..... :naughty:

Actually there are 16 if you must count them all :eek:.

I know its hit - it was that way when we got the boat. Just can't spring for another sail just yet. Hopefully next season ;).

Yours - I think you can do something with that.

Good luck and keep counting! :doh:
 
Jun 21, 2007
2,118
Hunter Cherubini 36_80-82 Sausalito / San Francisco Bay
Hello TopCat:

I can certainly understand the constraints, either real or "vibed" that might be implied by the other "officer" on your boat. For me, that's one reason why I have bought flea-market priced used, or repaired, or re-cut my sails over the years instead of getting new. (Also because all I want is a sail that will do reasonably well in my usual sailing conditions. And say $100 in DIY work for maybe 90% OK performance -- Or $2000 for a new sail for 100% performance that will deteriorate to 90-95% in a few seasons anyway?)

Looking at your picture P1210584.jpg:

1) Yes, the lower-most grommet on the luff will serve as the cunningham. Normally one would run a line up, then through grommet, then down through a block(s) so that the lower section of sail luff can be pulled down and tensioned. For your purpose, maybe just running/tying a permanent line from the grommet then around the boom to shorten the luff a few inches will enable you to tension the whole sail luff before the head bumps up against the block at the top of the mast. Warning though: When hoisting the sail with the cunningham pre-rigged, just put firm tension on the luff with the winch. Don't over-tighten or it is possible to tear the sail at the cunningham grommet.

2) I notice that the boom goose-neck is affixed to the mast via a large bolt which goes through the mast. Can you instead drill a new hole for the bolt several inches (you determine how much) further down and re-attach the boom at the lower level? This would cause the boom to be more horizontal rather than drooping. And instead of (or also with) the cunningham, the lower goose-neck level would enable you to tension the luff before the sail's head bumps up against the mast-top block. (Note: Give thought whether this suggestion might compromise the mast strength. Personally, I don't think so as people drill holes in masts and booms all the time. But ascertain this on your own or with opinions of others.)

3) As for the boom end being too low, this is certainly because the sail is too long on the leach -- compounded by the fact you can't raise the mainsail's luff fully. Example: On my boat, I purposefully have a sail with the leach probably being a bit too short in relation to the luff. So my boom hangs above horizontal a bit. Being 6'3" I need this to make sure that the boom height is always above my head when I am standing in the cockpit. Keep this dynamic in mind if sailing with the pop-top up will really be required. The leach needs to be short in relation to the luff. Or, you need to get a smaller sail (luff length) and then raise the goose neck location on the mast. (Just the opposite of my item 2 description.)

Looking at your photo of the whole sail up. My observation is that the sail fabric itself is reasonably tensioned in relation to the luff rope. In other words, a shrunken luff rope isn't the primary cause of your issues. Yes, it is possible that the luff rope has shrunken, but it's mainly that the sail is quite a few inches too big on the luff for the boat.

My observations might not be spot on --- but maybe they will provoke insights for you to further evaluate alternatives.
 
Nov 19, 2011
1,489
MacGregor 26S Hampton, VA
Maybe you could have slugs installed?

Now I have a MacGregor main sail that needs a headboard. I can't use it since u have a short mast. It's not blown or anything but its not new either and its in decent shape and pretty clean. You can check the sizes but this goes in a 26C. If its the size you need I can make you a heck if a deal.

Seems to me it has the M and 26 letters. Again, it needs a new headboard. It's a bolt rope for luff and foot.
 
Oct 26, 2005
2,057
- - Satellite Beach, FL.
In the last picture it looks like the mast is severely raked. Is this an camera illusion?
If not, easing the rake will raise the end of the boom.
You could replace the fixed gooseneck with a sliding one for $30-40 and fix the length problem. Haul the sail up then pull the boom down and tie to a cleat set below it in the track. https://www.dwyermast.com/items.asp?cat1ID=40&cat1Name=Hardware&familyID=17&familyName=Goosenecks
check around other rigging shops, might find one cheaper.
 
Aug 22, 2011
1,113
MacGregor Venture V224 Cheeseland
In the last picture it looks like the mast is severely raked. Is this an camera illusion?
If not, easing the rake will raise the end of the boom.
You could replace the fixed gooseneck with a sliding one for $30-40 and fix the length problem. Haul the sail up then pull the boom down and tie to a cleat set below it in the track. https://www.dwyermast.com/items.asp?cat1ID=40&cat1Name=Hardware&familyID=17&familyName=Goosenecks
check around other rigging shops, might find one cheaper.
I haven't abandoned this thread - I still have a KEEN interest in improving our issues without spending money we just don't have right now.

We finally splashed last Sat after 7 months of boat work and winter leaving the water Monday night. What an amazing adventure we had - bugs, worn out main and all. What wind! - highest we've had yet! Wow! So exciting!
I Love sailing.

merlinuxo; No - not an optical illusion - that was me wrapping the halyard on a winch and and giving her! I didn't realize how much pressure I was putting on it until I too saw that photo! :doh:Sliding goose neck has been considered - yet there is that admiral thing...and I always shop around alot. Thanks for the advise.

Doc_holiday; I will soon be in touch with you if you don't mind.

rardiH36; You and I understand each other I believe. Thank you. Really.

Here's a snap of the main in action - wish I would have gotten a better shot.
For the first time I wished I had a way to reef (for the admiral).
 

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Feb 20, 2011
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Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
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We finally splashed last Sat after 7 months of boat work and winter leaving the
For the first time I wished I had a way to reef (for the admiral).
Looks like you have one set of reef points on the main. Enjoy!
 
Aug 22, 2011
1,113
MacGregor Venture V224 Cheeseland
Looks like you have one set of reef points on the main. Enjoy!
I used those reef points - but the bottom of the sail just ballooned out from the boom in the high wind between those two points. I don't see how that's useful. I figured its designed for boom roller reefing that we can't use since we have the main sheet mid-boom now. How is the sail tied down to the boom other than at those reef points?
 
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