Wobbly Fixed Keel

Nov 1, 2017
635
Hunter 28.5 Galveston
I'm looking at a '83 Catalina 25. The boat is in excellent condition. I was ready to close the deal when the owner mentions that when he purchased the boat 10 years ago, he noticed that the fixed keel wobbled when the boat was hauled out. He said he spoke with a surveyer and called Catalina and they told him that it was normal. Every google search I've made shows discussions indicating that a wobbly keel indicates an imminent catastrophic failure. I'm really confused about what to do. He has other full price offers so I will not be able to haul the boat out before committing to a purchase. the bilge is perfectly dry and clean and the keel boats are shiny with zero corrosion. The boat has been hauled out a few times over the years for bottom work and painting and no one has raised the issue. Here are some keel bolt/ bilge picsView attachment 209659View attachment 209660
As a Catalina 25 owner (1984 fixed keel tall rig), I'm telling you that this ain't right. That keel should be stiff and rigid. Here at work we have a crane that we use to haul our boats out and service them. When my boat was last hauled out a few months ago, I pushed and pulled on that keel multiple times while the boat was in the slings, and never felt any movement at all. It sounds to me like either the fiberglass of the keel box has become weak and needs to be rebuilt or repaired, or the bolts are far too loose (like everyone else has been saying). Down here on the Texas Coast, the price of that repair is usually anywhere from 2-4k depending on the extent of the damage. If I discovered this problem on my own 25, I'd fix it and not look back because I've poured so much time and energy into maintenance and repairs as she's been my first sailboat since I was 16. However, if I were in your position and had no sentimental or monetary attachment to the boat, I'd definitely walk away, especially if I had other better options. Just my opinion...hope it helps!

Simon Sexton -- Youth Sailing Coordinator, Sea Star Base Galveston
 

Nunami

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Sep 29, 2022
7
Catalina 25 San Francisco
Welp..the boat sold to a guy who didnt require an inspection of the bottom. The boat was super clean for its age and priced at $6500....The sails were pretty old, the standing rigging may have been original and the running rigging was at least 10 years old. I still think thats a good deal for California....but who the heck is in such a rush and wants the boat so bad that they dont even want to look at the bottom? It wasn't the steal of the century. I'm baffled.
 
Aug 10, 2020
523
Catalina C25 3559 Rocky Mount
Welp..the boat sold to a guy who didnt require an inspection of the bottom. The boat was super clean for its age and priced at $6500....The sails were pretty old, the standing rigging may have been original and the running rigging was at least 10 years old. I still think thats a good deal for California....but who the heck is in such a rush and wants the boat so bad that they dont even want to look at the bottom? It wasn't the steal of the century. I'm baffled.
$6500 for a c25? Seems high to me. I gave $1500 for mine with a trailer.
 

Nunami

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Sep 29, 2022
7
Catalina 25 San Francisco
$6500 for a c25? Seems high to me. I gave $1500 for mine with a trailer.
There have been several listed over the last two months in in Southwest (Vegas to San Diego) in the $6,500 to $8,000 range. I know the $8K listings arent selling becuase they get relisted after they expire but at $6,500 they do sell assuming their ''ready to sail' with trailer.
 
Oct 26, 2008
6,222
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
There have been several listed over the last two months in in Southwest (Vegas to San Diego) in the $6,500 to $8,000 range. I know the $8K listings arent selling becuase they get relisted after they expire but at $6,500 they do sell assuming their ''ready to sail' with trailer.
You probably know your market better than most of us if you are actively looking. When it comes down to it, there is very little price difference between $6,500 and $8,000 for the same model boat. That $6,500 boat with the "wobbly keel" could easily turn into a $11,000 boat that comes with the frustration of waiting for a keel repair.

Take a close look at those $8,000 boats. The advertised price could easily be scaring away a lot of uneducated buyers while at the same time being a much better deal in the long run. If they are in great shape, have upgrades and are ready to sail, they could very well be underpriced at $8,000. It is generally true that the cheaper the purchase price of the boat, the worse-off you will be financially in the end. Repairs and upgrades are a bitch financially! Keep in mind that when you buy any article for your boat in a store, you are paying retail. When the boat is being sold with any comparable upgrade, you are paying wholesale or less (like it may come for free). ;)
 
Nov 28, 2016
98
Hunter 36 Northeast, MD
Regardless of boat model or age - Keels. Shouldn't. Wobble. If it does, the whole boat is suspect, run away. Not even worth finding out why. If the current owner wants a commitment prior to a survey, which has to include either a haul or a splash, that's another reason to run away. Defacto evidence of wanting to hide something that affects pricing. A survey done this year on our new-to-us 2008 Hunter 36 cost $1,100 all in, took a full day, and taught me a lot about the boat. One medium issue found, current owner fixed, I saved $500 as I would have fixed the issue when found, so net $600. Money well spent every time, whether you complete the transaction or not.
 
Oct 13, 2020
162
catalina C-22 4980 channel islands CA
Nunami, was this boat in San Diego on a Mission Bay mooring? If it was I was interested in this boat too. when I talked the owner he never mentioned a wobbly keel. He did however mention installing a depth fimder recently due to the sand bars in San Diego Bay and alluding to a soft grounding or two.. Just curious, thanks